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Installment Savings Accounts with Rates from 5.50% to 6.25% at Woori America Bank in NY, NJ, PA, MD, VA & CA

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Another Korean American bank is offering high rates on an installment savings account. Woori America Bank is offering a 5.50% 48-month plan, a 5.75% 60-month plan and a 6.25% 120-month plan. Minimum contract amount is $1,000, and it requires you to have their free checking account. These rates are listed on the bank's home page and in the bank's promotion page as of 4/17/09. The account is called the One Heart Savings.

This installment savings account requires that you have automatic monthly transfers from their Free Checking to the One Heart Savings during the entire term. The deposits earn a guaranteed interest rate, and you'll receive the contract amount at maturity if you maintain the monthly deposits. According to the small print, if the auto transfers fail more than twice, the regular rate (Happy Club Installment Savings) will be applied.

Like a CD, installment savings accounts typically have early withdrawal penalties. For this account, those in California have a big advantage. According to the small print, the early withdrawal penalty is only 2 months of interest for those in CA. Customers of their east coast branches are charged 18 months of interest. Perhaps they're facing more competition in CA.

I called the bank this morning, but I wasn't able to get too many additional details from the CSR. I did confirm these rates listed on the website are current. She didn't know how long they would last. I was told that a branch visit would be required to open accounts. Branches are located in New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Maryland, Virginia and California.

Woori America Bank has strong ratings for safety and soundness: 4 stars (excellent) at BauerFinancial and 4 stars (sound) at Bankrate.com. Both ratings are based on 12/31/08 financial data. The bank is regulated and insured by the FDIC (FDIC Certificate # 24920).

Thanks to the reader who emailed me news of this account.

Other Installment Savings Accounts

These installment savings accounts seem to be popular among Korean American banks. In the last couple of months, I've posted on several with high rates. Similar to Woori America Bank, most are located around California and New York and require a branch visit. However, Wilshire State Bank is offering one that is available nationwide via an online application. It has rates up to 5.12% APY for a contract term of 3 years (see post). To find other installment savings accounts, refer to my Installment Savings Accoung Page.

  Tags: New York, California, Virginia, Pennsylvania, Woori America Bank, Maryland, New Jersey

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Comments
26 Comments.
Comment #1 by Mary (anonymous) posted on
Mary
Thank you for these interesting “new” savings accounts. Have you seen any calculator to use when you have a lump sum and want to payout into the installment savings account? For example placing $10,000 in a high (well somewhat high) yield savings account and transferring monthly to an installment account. I know the APY would be a function of both accounts and how long money is in each account, but not quite able to develop my own financial calculator, this is definitely “higher” math.

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Comment #2 by Banking Guy (anonymous) posted on
Banking Guy
That's a good idea about a calculator. One thing that complicates this is the variability of the high yield savings account rates. You would definitely want to set up automatic transfers from the high yield savings to the checking account so that you don't have to keep much money in the checking account earning little if any interest.

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Comment #3 by DataIsGold (anonymous) posted on
DataIsGold
Mary,

I had the same thought. So I thought using a retirement withdrawal calculator would help to answer this.

http://www.americantrust.com/Retirement_Planning/Planning_Tools/Withdrawal_Estimator.html

Let's say you have 10,000 in Cash and you want to do the 10,000 Woori plan @ 48 months.

So in the calculator i put
10,000 Balance at Retirement
186.73 Monthly Withdrawal (Contract amount)
0% inflation rate, let's just get the raw number
4 years in retirement (Basically your Installment savings Term)
2% interest Rate (The rate you're getting in your savings account over the next 4 years, I use the very conservative number)

So you get:


Ending Balance in your Savings of 1496.43 includes the 459.47 of interest over those four years in your Savings Account

You deposited 8963.04 into Woori to get 10,000 which is 1036.96 in interest.

So your total balance at the end of four years is

11496.43


Assuming no more additions to your Regular Savings and interest rates stay low at 2%.

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Comment #4 by Mary (anonymous) posted on
Mary
The reverse payout calculator works well. Thank you.
I took your numbers and a regular CD calculator. Assuming 2% for the savings account and 5.50% for the 48 months installment savings account, the APY appears to be 3.49%. Is this correct?

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Comment #5 by DataIsGold (anonymous) posted on
DataIsGold
Mary,

Yes it looks like you'd get an overall 3.49%.

If we use the highest saving rate that BankDeals guy posted, 3.10%.
And rates don't increase/decrease over the next 4 yeasr.

Then you'd get an overall of
4.07%

So question would be can you find a 4 year CD with more than 4.07% if you have the lump sum now.

For those without the lump sum now, this installment plan looks great, just my 2cents.

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Comment #6 by Anonymous posted on
Anonymous
Woori America Bank also has a Web Savings Account.

I tried to call to get the rate, but I couldn't understand the CSR. I was told they didn't have anyone at the branch at that time that spoke clearer English.

I hate banks that don't post their rates on their Website.

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Comment #7 by Anonymous posted on
Anonymous
Banking Guy -- If you can find some "reverse-installment" savings, that will be interesting!

For example:
Bank A is pay 6% APY on your lump sum deposit and will pay you an "installment" each month for N months.

Then Use your "installment" for in installment in Bank B which will pay you ~6% also for N months.

That'll be ideal........woooooooyooooo.........

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Comment #8 by Mary (anonymous) posted on
Mary
DataIsGold and Banking Guy I appreciate the interest rate math help. You are right; the installment savings is a wonderful option and seems perfect for those who self-trustee their retirement plans. The accounts would provide a very nice arrangement to deposit your monthly withholding contributions. Thank you again.

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Comment #9 by Anonymous posted on
Anonymous
and then of course if the bank goes bankrupt, your money is gone. Not to mention the taxes you gotto pay for the federal government.

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Comment #10 by Anonymous posted on
Anonymous
Paper money is a joke. Relying on it for your retirment, is just like buying fish in the sea. Try buying gold, it never goes worthless.

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Comment #11 by Anonymous posted on
Anonymous
Banking Guy, you certainly put a lot of time and effort in the site to keep us informed with the latest banking twists and turns.
This site provides one stop shopping for all our savings needs. Now if the Fed would co-operate and raise rates to a realistic level.....

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Comment #12 by Anonymous posted on
Anonymous
There is nothing special about it.
These are essentially ZERO coupons
issued by Banks.
There is no compounding of the interest earn and the total earned is slightly less then comparable CD.

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Comment #13 by Mary (anonymous) posted on
Mary
Woori America Bank has strong ratings. A quick search of the holding company was somewhat disquieting.

http://english.chosun.com/site/data
/html_dir/2009/04/17/2009041700886
.html

http://english.chosun.com/site/data
/html_dir/2009/04/17/2009041700886
.html

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/new
s/biz/2009/04/123_42958.html

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Comment #14 by Mary (anonymous) posted on
Mary
This is the correct link to the second article.

http://english.chosun.com/w21
data/html/news/200904/200904020016
.html

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Comment #15 by Anonymous posted on
Anonymous
Mary, are you saying we should slightly worry about Woori?

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Comment #16 by Anonymous posted on
Anonymous
I opened a One Heart Savings account today. One important detail to note, however. The CSR at the Ridgefield, NJ branch told me that when the account matures, you must physically go to the same branch at which it was opened in order to close the acccount. By the way, no language problems!

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Comment #17 by Quimby (anonymous) posted on
Quimby
I mentioned this to several people. Two of them said "What happens if North Korea invades South Korea?" (I think they're trying to be funny.) As of now, I plan to take the few hundred mile trip to Philly. But, I do plan to get more information first. (I've already called Woori America Bank once and spoke to a Korean woman who knew very little English. That was interesting.) I refuse to settle for 2%! Someone please give me a solid reason to NOT do this, considering it is an FDIC insured bank with a 4-star rating. Thanks.

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Comment #18 by Anonymous posted on
Anonymous
Anonymous (see comment dated 7:22 AM, April 18, 2009) is essentially correct, though he doesn't take the time to explain himself. Suppose you did an installment savings 4-year term at Woori for $50k. That means you contribute $44,816 (933.66/month times 48 months) and then they give you $5184.00 in interest. This has the same net effect of purchasing a $44,816 CD for a 4-year term at 2.74%. (Note: I am compounding monthly, incl. interest in both cases). Either way gets you to $50k in 4 years. The benefit to the installment savings plan is that you don't have to lock in the entire $50k for 4 years. You're only locking in "new" money that you contribute, and you can do something else with that $50k.

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Comment #19 by Anonymous posted on
Anonymous
Not a pleasant experience. Bank refused to open CD. Bank manager said she had to know her customers and she did not know us. Must not only be instate, but apparently very local, or pass another test perhaps a different nationality. Branch manager would provide no written explanation. CSR obviously did not want to have us as her customer.

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Comment #20 by bksavings (anonymous) posted on
bksavings
Opened an account at the NYC branch today, the CSR was pleasant, it took about 30 minutes.

They call the high yield 12-36 month account "The More Dream Club Savings" and there is "only" a 12 month early withdraw penalty (2 for CA)
PDF Rate Sheet

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Comment #21 by Anonymous posted on
Anonymous
According to the "More Dream Club Savings & One Heart Club Savings" disclosure sheet that I got from the Ridgefield, NJ branch, the early withdrawal penalty in NY, NJ, PA, MD, & VA is 6 months of interest (CA is 2 months). Follow up contact with Ridgefield branch has been very pleasant.

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Comment #22 by Anonymous posted on
Anonymous
From the disclosure I received from the NY branch:

A substantial penalty will be imposed if you withdraw any principal before maturity date. The early withdrawal penalty will be assessed as follows:
-Term up to 1 year: 6 months loss of interest
-Term 1 year to 3 years: 12 months loss of interest
-Term 3 years or more: 18 months loss of interest

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Comment #23 by Anonymous posted on
Anonymous
To Anonymous @ 1:58 PM - in the booklet "Important Account Information for Our Customers" the early withdrawal penalties you mention are under the heading for the Happy Club Savings Account. The disclosure sheet I received from the Ridgefield branch, which is a separate sheet, appears to be a supplement that may have been prepared by the Ridgefield branch. I wonder whether each branch sets it own early withdrawal policy for the More Dream and One Heart Savings accounts? On further reflection, I suspect that you may be right, as the bank's website indicates an 18 month loss of interest early withdrawal penalty for the One Heart Savings account.

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Comment #24 by DataIsGold (anonymous) posted on
DataIsGold
@Anonymous, at 8:20 AM, April 29, 2009

Which branch did you go to?

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Comment #25 by Anonymous posted on
Anonymous
Note that some of the analyses here regarding the effective interest rates is faulty.

While there in nothing wrong in the calculation of the effective interest rate - the assumption that the authors seem to make is that you're sitting on the lumpsum for the entire period without earning any interest.

The advantage of the installment savings even when you have a lumpsum is that you can stick that money in a money market at a credit union and earn interest on that balance for the entire period. My credit union currently pays close to 3%.
So this money market interest rate should be added to the effective interest rate for an apples to apples comparison.

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Comment #26 by Anonymous posted on
Anonymous
I opened the (FDIC-insured) account recently and experienced no problem at all. They were very friendly in Philly and it was worth the several hour drive to get there. (Extreme times require extreme measures.) Savers are currently being punished because lenders "forgot" how to loan and borrowers don't know how to add. This was one way to fight back. Online banking may be another. Again, this is NOT an earth-shattering account rate. A long-term, lump sum CD at 2.75% is roughly equal to this plan. BUT, every dollar you put into this account WILL earn approx. 5-6%. I like the sound of that.

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