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Tuesday, March 8, 2011 - 1:38 PM

Almost Perfect, But Needs Remote Deposit And Easier Transaction Download

Capital One Direct Banking (4 stars)
I had an account with Chevy Chase Bank in the DC area (now bought out by Capital One) and was happy with them for many years.

I switched to a Capital One Direct Banking checking account when I moved out of the area, thanks to their very good 1% interest rate.  I now also have a Costco InterestPlus savings account (current rate is 1.25%).

Things I like:
  • No fees, and $10/month of other banks' ATM fees refunded
  • 50 free paper checks
  • Online bill pay is convenient and easy, and you can have them mail paper checks for free (I do this for rent payments)
  • Prompt online customer service (I hate talking on the phone, so I prefer to do things electronically)
  • Mailed-in deposits get deposited quickly
  • *Instantaneous* online transfers between checkings and savings accounts (the new balances get reflected immediately on the website and at ATMs)
  • Handles external transfers to other banks and investment accounts well
Annoyances:
  • The online "account alerts" which are supposed to email you when you get deposits/withdrawals/etc. are almost useless... they're unreliable and sometimes take days to go through.
  • A separate login is required for Capital One credit cards
  • The website only allows you to download transactions in 30-day chunks, which is maddening and should be easy to fix.
One feature I really want to see is remote check deposit via smartphone or scanner, so I don't have to keep mailing checks in.  I'm almost tempted to switch to another bank just for this feature.  Capital One, are you listening???
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moxfyremoxfyre5 posts since
Feb 3, 2011
Rep Points: 31
1. Tuesday, March 8, 2011 - 5:12 PM
Good review. I've considered opening an account with them; no exchange fee & foreign bank ATM rebates makes this account highly appealing to me. I was disappointed to learn their credit cards aren't integrated into the online banking experience. I was also disappointed to learn that their 'first free order' of checks is only 50. (And while I prefer not to write checks, not everybody prefers not to receive them. Our mortgage company, doctor, orthodontist, etc. prefer checks. And I prefer to pay utility men that don't accept credit with checks.)

I have questions about online bill pay (which appears to be powered by CheckFree):

- How late can I schedule a payment? For example, if a bill is due on the 15th can I schedule a payment as late as the afternoon of the 14th (assume one-day delivery and both dates are midweek).

- When are the funds deducted from my account? In the above scenario, assume the payment must be scheduled by the 13th. Are the funds deducted on the 13th or the 15th?

Thanks for any input.
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SouthwesternSouthwestern23 posts since
Jan 25, 2011
Rep Points: 92
2. Tuesday, March 8, 2011 - 5:28 PM
Good review. I've considered opening an account with them; no exchange fee & foreign bank ATM rebates makes this account highly appealing to me. I was disappointed to learn their credit cards aren't integrated into the online banking experience. I was also disappointed to learn that their 'first free order' of checks is only 50. (And while I prefer not to write checks, not everybody prefers not to receive them. Our mortgage company, doctor, orthodontist, etc. prefer checks. And I prefer to pay utility men that don't accept credit with checks.)
Well... 50 physical paper checks seems like plenty for me.  The online bill pay service will actually *mail* physical checks drawn on your account to whoever you want, so if you know you're going to write checks on a regular schedule, or ahead of time, you don't have to actually pull out your checkbook :)

As for credit card integration... you can see your CC balance and payment info from the online banking login, but to do much more than that you have to enter another username and password.  Not the end of the world, but it could be better-integrated.


I have questions about online bill pay (which appears to be powered by CheckFree):

- How late can I schedule a payment? For example, if a bill is due on the 15th can I schedule a payment as late as the afternoon of the 14th (assume one-day delivery and both dates are midweek).

- When are the funds deducted from my account? In the above scenario, assume the payment must be scheduled by the 13th. Are the funds deducted on the 13th or the 15th?

Thanks for any input.
Hmmm... how can you tell that it's powered by CheckFree?

If they mail a paper check, it's processed like a paper check (not deducted until it's cleared by the recipient's bank).  If electronic, it'll be withdrawn on the payment date scheduled.  This is what the online banking site says about payment timing:
The Payment Date is the date the payment is to be received by the payee. The lead time for scheduling a payment is based on factors such as the amount of the payment and whether the payment will be processed electronically or as a mailed check. This lead time is displayed as the Delivery Time located under the Show Details link for each payee.
  • If a payment meets the criteria, the delivery time will be 2 days and the funds will be withdrawn from your account on the Payment Date you enter. If you schedule the payment before the daily cutoff time, the payment will be made the next business day.
  • Payments that do not meet the 2 day criteria will require a 4 day delivery time. These payments may be withdrawn from your account on the Payment Date you entered, or in the case of laser draft (a check that is drawn on your account, much like a check that you would write yourself), the payment will clear your account when the payee presents the item for payment.
 

Payments scheduled on a weekend or bank holiday may be paid to your payee (and debited from your account) the business day before the weekend or bank holiday date to ensure that the payment reaches the payee on time.

So basically... they need up to 4 day lead time for paper checks, but 2 is closer to reality in my experience.
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moxfyremoxfyre5 posts since
Feb 3, 2011
Rep Points: 31
3. Wednesday, May 18, 2011 - 11:19 AM
I'd just like to add that I had to speak with Capital One's customer service today about a lost check.  I only had to go through one menu before getting a real human, who was extremely helpful and friendly, and was able to access detailed information about the transaction quickly, and put a stop payment on the check at no charge.

So, thumbs up for their customer service!
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moxfyremoxfyre5 posts since
Feb 3, 2011
Rep Points: 31
4. Wednesday, May 18, 2011 - 3:14 PM
They only fall down on two issues (for me), though remote deposit would be redeeming.

1. When opening an account a 10 business day hold is enforced AFTER the initial ACH transfer occurs before funds are available (insane/abusive/antiquated/ridiculous), though it earns interest.

2. Even previously linked external account transfers (outside the two-headed Capital One corp) require 3 business days (excluding weekends) before becoming "available."

I'm constantly in awe of how techonological advance has degraded the efficiency of what was once a near instantaneous process.  ACH has devolved to the point that it's no faster than mailing a check at most banking institutions.  Of course we obstreperous sheep realize the problem isn't technology.  It's the broadening collusion of affiliate members of the banking cartel.  As Don (Vito) Corleone put it (literally), "I'm making you an offer you can't refuse."
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CraigPDCraigPD85 posts since
Jun 12, 2010
Rep Points: 298
5. Wednesday, May 18, 2011 - 3:36 PM
They only fall down on two issues (for me).

1. When opening an account a 10 business day hold is enforced AFTER the initial ACH transfer occurs before funds are available (insane/abusive/antiquated/ridiculous), though it earns interest.
Huh... I don't remember that part.  Probably because I already had a branch account with them before opening an online (Direct Banking) account.  Why do banks do that?  Is there some kind of regulation that compels it?
2. Even previously linked external account transfers (outside the two-headed Capital One corp) require 3 business days (excluding weekends) before becoming "available."

I'm constantly in awe of how techonological advance has degraded the efficiency of what was once a near instantaneous process.  ACH has devolved to the point that it's no faster than mailing a check at most banking institutions.  Of course we obstreperous sheep realize the problem isn't technology.  It's the broadening collusion of affiliate members of the banking cartel.  But as Don (Vito) Corleone put it (literally), "I'm making you an offer you can't refuse."
Yeah, I'm not crazy about the slow ACH transfers.  Apparently there are other online banks that are much faster in this regard: http://www.depositaccounts.com/bl...eds-at.htm
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moxfyremoxfyre5 posts since
Feb 3, 2011
Rep Points: 31
6. Wednesday, May 18, 2011 - 3:46 PM
I don't remember that part. Probably because I already had a branch account with them before opening an online (Direct Banking) account.

 Exactly.  Each being part of the "two-headed corp" I was referring to.
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CraigPDCraigPD85 posts since
Jun 12, 2010
Rep Points: 298
7. Wednesday, May 18, 2011 - 4:00 PM
Apparently there are other online banks that are much faster in this regard: http://www.depositaccounts.com/bl...eds-at.htm

Unfortunately much of that has changed in 2-3 years, part of the devolution.  GMAC was absolutely THE best.  Now Ally is mediocre at best.  I'm sure the same goes for many other banks listed as well.  As I said, its a pawn in ongoing negotiations between "competing families."
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CraigPDCraigPD85 posts since
Jun 12, 2010
Rep Points: 298
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