Marcus by Goldman Sachs Hikes Online Savings Account and CD Rates

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Deal Summary: Noteworthy rate increases include: Online Savings Account (0.60% APY), 13-Month No Penalty CD (0.75% APY), 12-Month CD (1.20% APY), 18-Month CD (1.50% APY).

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Marcus by Goldman Sachs (Marcus) has finally responded to rising interest rates and to its competition by increasing its Online Savings Account rate. Today, the APY increased from 0.50% to 0.60%. It’s the first savings account rate increase at Marcus since January 2019. At that time, the Marcus Online Savings account rate peaked at 2.25% APY. The rate cuts began in June 2019, just before the Fed’s first rate cut. The cuts continued until the rate reached a bottom of 0.50% in November 2020. After 17 months, the rate has finally increased.

APYMINMAXINSTITUTIONPRODUCTDETAILS
0.70%-$3mMarcus by Goldman SachsOnline Savings Account
Rates as of May 21, 2022.

This savings account rate increase doesn’t move Marcus into the rate-leader status. Several smaller online banks are offering savings account yields between 0.60% and 0.80%. Nevertheless, it moves Marcus to be inline with other major online banks like Capital One (which just hiked its 360 Performance Savings rate to 0.60%) and Synchrony Bank (which hiked its savings account rate to 0.60% in early March).

CD Rate Hikes

Marcus also increased the rates of several of its CDs today. As has been common, most of the CD rate increases were larger than the savings account rate increase. It continues the trend by most online banks of focusing rate hikes on CDs instead of savings accounts. The following are the six most noteworthy of today’s CD rate hikes at Marcus: The new APYs are shown in bold and are effective as of 4/22/2022. The previous APYs are noted inside parentheses.

  • 12 mo - 1.20% (0.75%)
  • 13 mo NP - 0.75% (0.65%)
  • 18 mo - 1.50% (0.75%)
  • 24 mo - 1.60% (1.15%)
  • 36 mo - 1.80% (1.20%)
  • 60 mo - 2.15% (2.00%)

13-Month No-Penalty CD

It’s interesting to note that Marcus didn’t increase the rates of its other two No-Penalty CDs. The 7-month No-Penalty CD (0.45%) and 11-month No-Penalty CD (0.35%) rates remain low. Unless these rates are higher than the 13-month No-Penalty CD, there’s no reason to choose these over the 13-month. Since you can close these CDs anytime seven days after funding without a penalty, the longer-term no-penalty CD is always better.

Marcus customers can use this 13-month No-Penalty CD as a way to boost their savings account yield without losing any significant liquidity. The only risk is that you don’t track rates and forget about the CD. You might then miss the time when the savings account rate exceeds 0.75%. When that happens, the 13-month No-Penalty CD should be closed and the funds transferred back into the savings account. Marcus makes that process quick and easy, but you still have to monitor rates and take action when rates rise.

High-Yield CDs

Out of all the Marcus High-Yield CDs, its 18-month CD had the largest rate gain, rising 75 bps to 1.50% APY. That increase doubled the yield, and it moved the Marcus 18-month CD into rate leading status for the 18-month CD category.

The 12-month High-Yield CD rate increased 45 bps to 1.20% APY. That’s 10 bps higher than the Marcus 10-month CD Special (1.10% APY) which is still available, but is now much less attractive.

The new rates of Marcus longer-term High-Yield CDs are quite competitive with other direct online bank CDs, but it’s hard to get excited about these rates as we are just starting a fast moving rising rate period.

The following table provides the current yields of the ten Marcus CDs that had rate increases today. Click on the “details” arrow to display the CD rate history and other details. For the full list of Marcus CD rates, please refer to the rates section of our Marcus Bank page.

APYMINMAXINSTITUTIONPRODUCTDETAILS
2.55%$500$1mMarcus by Goldman SachsHigh-yield 5 Year CD
2.55%$500$1mMarcus by Goldman SachsHigh-yield 6 Year CD
2.20%$500$1mMarcus by Goldman SachsHigh-yield 3 Year CD
2.20%$500$1mMarcus by Goldman SachsHigh-yield 4 Year CD
2.00%$500$1mMarcus by Goldman SachsHigh-yield 2 Year CD
1.65%$500$1mMarcus by Goldman Sachs18 Month CD
1.30%$500$1mMarcus by Goldman SachsHigh-yield 12 Month CD
0.75%$500$1mMarcus by Goldman Sachs13 Month No-Penalty CD
0.60%$500$1mMarcus by Goldman Sachs9 Month CD
0.50%$500$1mMarcus by Goldman SachsHigh-yield 6 Month CD
Rates as of May 21, 2022.

Thanks to DA reader Buckpasser who posted on these higher rates in the DA Forum and the DA reader who emailed me news of the new rates.

Important Features of Marcus High-Yield CDs

The following overview of the Marcus High-Yield CD features is mostly a copy from my February Marcus CD review. The details of the current rates and the rate histories of Marcus CDs are available in the CD rates section of our Marcus Bank page. Unfortunately, Marcus does not offer IRA CDs.

Early Withdrawals

There has been a recent and significant change to the Marcus CD early withdrawal penalties (EWPs). In summary, the EWPs have been reduced for most terms. The 1-year term had the largest reduction, with the EWP reduced from 270 days’ interest to 90 days’. Also noteworthy is the reduction for the 5-year term. The new EWP is 180 days’ interest, which is down from 270 days’. The full details of the EWPs are included in the Marcus’s FAQs and deposit account agreement. Excerpts of these documents are provided below:

Less than or equal to 1 year – 90 days simple interest on the principal at the rate in effect for the CD.

More than 1 year to 5 years – 180 days simple interest on the principal at the rate in effect for the CD.

More than 5 years – 270 days simple interest on the principal at the rate in effect for the CD.

By using the DA CD Early Withdrawal Penalty Calculator, you can see that the Marcus 5-year CD closed early compares favorably to the Marcus shorter-term CDs that are held to maturity.

Another important feature of early withdrawals is that Marcus does not allow partial early withdrawals of principal. Only early closure with full withdrawal of principal and interest (minus the penalty) is allowed.

The following is an excerpt from the deposit agreement that explains the above limitation. It also explicitly gives the customer the right to make an early withdrawal. Disclosures at some banks have language that only allows an early withdrawal with the consent of the bank.

Early Withdrawal of Principal: You are not permitted to withdraw a portion of your principal at any time prior to maturity. You may withdraw the entire principal amount prior to maturity, but you will be charged an early withdrawal penalty, except in the case of a No-Penalty CD. The entire principal, however, may be withdrawn prior to maturity without a penalty in the case of your death or if there is a judicial or administrative determination that you are legally incompetent.

Also important for early withdrawals is the process that the customer must use to initiate an early withdrawal. Some banks make this process long and difficult. For the case of Marcus, this process wasn’t clear from the online documentation. Thus, I called customer service. According to a Marcus CSR, you cannot close a High-Yield CD online like you can a No-Penalty CD. You must call and request the early closure. If you have a Marcus Online Savings account, the funds can be transferred to the savings account within one business day. If you request a transfer to a linked external account, that will take one to three business days.

Opening the CD

One concern with CDs when rates are rising is that you’ll miss out on a rate increase soon after you open the CD. Marcus’s 10-Day Rate Guarantee helps with this issue. According to this guarantee, you’ll get the highest published rate up to 10 days after you opened your CD. The one caveat is that you must reach the minimum deposit of $500 within this time period. The following is the excerpt of the Marcus FAQ:

What happens if the interest rate changes after I open my CD?

If your Marcus CD account reaches the $500 minimum deposit within 10 days of the day you open your Marcus CD account (opening day plus 10 days), you will receive the highest published interest rate and Annual Percentage Yield (APY) we offer on the Marcus CD product and term you selected during that period, starting on your account opening date and extending for 10 days. This only applies to Marcus branded CD products.

If your Marcus CD account does not reach the $500 minimum deposit within 10 days of the day you open your account, your rate will be the interest rate and APY available for your Marcus CD product and term on the day your Marcus CD account reaches the $500 minimum deposit.

This 10-day rate guarantee has become the standard at online banks. However, Marcus has an additional allowance for opening CDs. You can add additional funds to the CD for up to 30 days after you open the CD. Here’s the excerpt from the Marcus FAQ:

Can I add additional funds to a CD once it’s been opened?

You have 30 days following the day you open your CD account to fully fund your CD. You cannot deposit additional funds into your CD account after it has been open for more than 30 days.

After the first 10 days, the rate won’t be guaranteed, but in a rising rate environment, it might actually be better to get a rate later in this 30-day window. According to the above two FAQs, if you do an initial funding of the CD that’s less than $500 and your final deposit is made at the end of the 30-day window, the APY will be set based on the APY in effect “on the day your Marcus CD account reaches the $500 minimum deposit.” It would be wise not to wait too long into the 30-day window to ensure the $500 minimum is reached. Also note that the rules for the No-Penalty CDs are a little different.

Other Useful CD Details

The following is a synopsis of other information from the Marcus FAQs:

  • Accounts can be funded by an internal transfer, an ACH transfer, wire transfer, or check.
  • Monthly interest disbursements are allowed to your savings account or to one of your linked external bank accounts.
  • 10-day grace period at maturity. Interest is earned during grace period up to the day before the funds are withdrawn.

Up to six beneficiaries can be added to each account, with Social Security numbers or taxpayer identification required for each beneficiary. A beneficiary must be a natural person: trusts or other entities cannot be named as a beneficiary. In fact, trust accounts are not offered at all.

Online Savings Account Overview

The new Marcus Online Savings Account APY is above the current 0.501% online savings account yield index and has averaged slightly higher than the online savings account average for the last four years.

The Online Savings Account has several features that make it a strong contender for a primary online savings account, including the following:

  • No minimum opening deposit.
  • Rate applies to all balances of $1 or more.
  • Free ACH bank-to-bank transfer service.
  • Up to 4 external accounts can be linked.
  • Because of a change in federal law, the six monthly withdrawal/transfer limit has been suspended. There is currently no limit on the number of withdrawals/transfers that can be made.
  • Maximum outgoing transfer is $125k per transaction if done online (no limit if done by phone).
  • No incoming transfer limit (as long as the maximum balance limit is maintained).
  • Same-day transfers of $100k or less to and from other banks.
  • Funds received by ACH transfer initiated at Marcus are available on the third business day. Funds received by ACH transfer initiated by another bank are available on the next business day (see FAQs for full details).
  • No charge for sending or receiving wire transfers, but wire transfers to a third-party (such as a mortgage company) are not allowed. Wire transfers requested online can only be sent to a previously linked external account.
  • Maximum balance of $1 million for individuals (new customers).
  • Up to six beneficiaries per each account.
  • A beneficiary must be an individual: you may not name a trust or other entity as a beneficiary.
  • Social security numbers required for beneficiaries.
  • Trust accounts are not offered.

Other Marcus Accounts and Promotions

Marcus had been offering a savings account bonus, but that ended in February. There is still a referral program called Marcus Referred in which current and new customers can earn an additional 0.50% APY on their Online Savings account for three months. According to the terms:

You can earn a maximum combined total of 5 referral bonuses under these Referral Program Terms and any other Marcus by Goldman Sachs referral programs in each calendar year.

Marcus still offers AARP members two special deals. New and existing Marcus customers can receive an extra 10 bps on their savings account for 24 months. There’s also a special 8-month No-Penalty CD with a rate that’s currently equal to the standard Marcus 13-month No-Penalty CD (Since they are no-penalty CDs, there’s no reason to choose the 8-month over the 13-month.) Please refer to my 2020 AARP Marcus promotion review for more details.

Transfer Problems

Several readers have reported problems with Marcus in transferring large sums via ACH to their linked bank accounts.

The most recent transfer problem was reported in February by reader sharon907 who tried to transfer a large amount from a linked account into Marcus and then, after the hold period, tried to transfer this amount to another linked bank account. The reader reported that the outgoing ACH transactions were reversed. Marcus would only allow an outbound transfer to the original source of the funds. After many hours with customer service that included confirmation of the ownership of the two linked accounts, Marcus still did not allow full access to these funds.

Similar issues have been reported in bank reviews. Reader YieldTracker reported in October 2021 that Marcus prevented an outbound ACH transfer of a large amount to a linked account that had been established and used for seven years. After calls to customer service, Marcus would only allow a maximum outbound transfer of $50k to this linked account.

These problems appear to be due to anti-fraud measures that impact innocent customers. As is common with anti-fraud measures, banks reveal little on these incidents. These problems appear to be increasingly common, not only at Marcus, but at other banks and credit unions these days. Extra care is required if you plan to move large sums into and out of banks. Unfortunately, these issues seem to occur even when customers comply with the hold periods, the transfer limits and the linked account process.

Availability

Headquartered in New York City, Goldman Sachs Bank’s internet bank operates under the Marcus by Goldman Sachs brand. Savings accounts and CDs are available nationwide and can be opened using the Bank’s online application. Account owners must be U.S. citizens or legal residents and at least 18 years old.

To open a Marcus Online Savings Account or CD, click on the “Open an Account” button on the DA Bank Profile Page for Marcus. Once at Marcus.com, you can start the online application. If you’re new to Marcus, the online application process will allow you to fund the CD by first linking your CD account to a savings or checking account at another bank.

Bank Overview

In early 2016, Goldman Sachs Bank completed its acquisition of GE Capital Bank’s internet bank division, thus establishing the “GS Bank” brand. The “Marcus by Goldman Sachs” brand was launched in October 2016 as an online platform that offered unsecured personal loans to consumers. As I noted in a November 2017 blog post, Goldman Sachs decided to consolidate savings accounts, CDs, and personal loans under the Marcus by Goldman Sachs brand.

Goldman Sachs Bank has an overall health grade of “A” at DepositAccounts.com, with a Texas Ratio of 3.16% (excellent), based on December 31, 2021 data. In the past year, the Bank has increased its total non-brokered deposits by $92.04 billion, an excellent annual growth rate of 57.16%. Please refer to our financial overview of Goldman Sachs Bank (FDIC Certificate # 33124) for more details.

Goldman Sachs Bank is currently the eighth largest bank in the nation based on assets. The Bank has had a dramatic increase in size in 2021. From December 31, 2020 to December 31, 2021, assets have increased almost 60%, from $272 billion to $434 billion, and deposits have increased 48%, from $217 billion to $322 billion.

How 18-Month High-Yield CD Compares

When compared to CDs with terms from 15 to 20 months tracked by DepositAccounts.com that are available nationally and have minimum deposit requirements of $10k or less, no banks or credit unions have a higher rate than offered on the Marcus 18-month High-Yield CD. The following table compares the 18-month CD to the two highest-rate CDs from other banks and the two highest-rate CDs from credit unions.

APYCD Term (Early Withdrawal Penalty)Credit Union/Bank
1.50%18-Month CD (EWP=180 days)Marcus by Goldman Sachs
1.50%16-Month CD (EWP=180 days)Synchrony Bank
1.45%15-Month CD (EWP=270 days)mph.bank via SaveBetter
1.35%18-Month MMC (EWP=30% of all dividends to maturity)PenFed Credit Union
1.35%18-Month Share Certificate (EWP=180 days)American Heritage FCU

How the Online Savings Account Compares

When compared to nationally available Money Market Accounts and Savings Accounts tracked by DepositAccounts.com, that do not require large balances or direct deposit and do not have small balance caps, the Marcus Online Savings Account’s APY is far below the highest rates. However, it’s comparable to rates offered by the major online banks. Below is a sample of the top rates along with online savings account rates from a few of the major online banks.

APYAccount NameCredit Union/Bank
1.00%MAX-Yield MMA Special ($5k min/$250k max)Sun East FCU
0.85%Money Market Deposit Account ($1 min/no max)mph.bank via SaveBetter
0.80%Bask Interest Savings Account (no min/no max)Bask Bank
0.80%Zynlo Money Market (no min/$250k max)ZYNLO Bank
0.60%Online Savings Account (no min/$3M max)Marcus by Goldman Sachs
0.60%360 Performance Savings (no min/no max)Capital One
0.60%High Yield Savings (no min/no max)Synchrony Bank
0.50%Online Savings (no min/no max)Ally Bank

Comparing the Marcus High-Yield CDs to Brokered CDs and Treasury Bills/Notes

This year, Treasury yields have been rising faster than any direct CD yields. Brokered CDs, which compete with Treasury bills and notes, have also experienced larger rate gains than direct CDs from online banks and credit unions. Below are 1-year and 2-year Treasury yields at yesterday’s market close (via Daily Treasury Par Yield Curve Rates) and today’s top non-callable new-issue brokered CDs listed at Fidelity and Vanguard:

YieldProduct/DurationSource
2.68%2-Year Treasury noteU.S. Treasury
2.60%2-Year brokered CDFidelity & Vanguard (issued by Goldman Sachs)
2.00%18-Month brokered CDFidelity & Vanguard (issued by BMW Bank NA)
2.01%1-Year Treasury billU.S. Treasury
1.65%1-Year brokered CDFidelity & Vanguard (issued by Goldman Sachs)
1.60%24-Month CD (EWP=180 days)Marcus by Goldman Sachs
1.50%18-Month CD (EWP=180 days)Marcus by Goldman Sachs
1.20%12-Month CD (EWP=90 days)Marcus by Goldman Sachs

As you can see, Treasury bills/notes and brokered CDs currently have higher rates than the Marcus 12-, 18- and 24-month High Yield CDs. Coincidentally, Goldman Sachs Bank is the issuer at both Fidelity and Vanguard with the highest non-callable 1- and 2-year brokered CD rates.

The one benefit of the direct CD over the brokered CDs and Treasuries is a fixed early withdrawal penalty. If you want to access the money from your Treasury bill/note or brokered CD before maturity, you’ll have to sell it in the secondary market. You will likely have to sell it at a loss if interest rates have risen. The more that interest rates have risen, the larger the loss.

The above information and rates are accurate as of 4/22/2022.

To look for the best rates, both nationwide and state specific, please refer to our CD Rates Table, Money Market Accounts Table and Savings Accounts Table.

Related Pages: savings accounts, 1-year CD rates, 5-year CD rates, nationwide deals, Internet banks

Comments
Benson
  |     |   Comment #1
Online Savings Account can be bumped up another .10% to .70% with AARP enrollment
DavidWB
  |     |   Comment #44
Useless, the no-penalty is .75%
Steve834758
  |     |   Comment #45
If anyone needs a referral code link to increase Marcus Savings rate from .6% + .5% to 1.1%:
https://www.marcus.com/share/KIN-JLE-4U25
Blade
  |     |   Comment #2
Speaking of Goldman... I'm seeing a new issue CD from Goldman through my Fidelity account offering 2.7% for 24 months that's "callable" and one for 2.6% that's not. Brokered CD's rates are still outpacing Bank Direct offerings at the moment from what I'm continuing to see each week.
Choice
  |     |   Comment #3
If one bought Ibonds before April 30th for multiple TD accounts (up to 65K per year) and had the ibonds go for 24 months with 0% for latter 12 months the net return would be in the range of 4% (and this assumes no further ibond purchases in the last 12 of 24 months). Why is one advocating non-direct CDs? What am I missing?
gregk
  |     |   Comment #4
Can someone call the interpreter, please.
sharon907
  |     |   Comment #9
don't quite understand your post. but, some people might take the treasury limit of $10,000 / $15,000 per year seriously, and not want to try goofy workarounds. and some people might want to go longer than 24 months,

of course, anyone who has owned ibonds for the past decade, knows that even with the current rate, the rate over the past 5 - 10 years has been poor.
Mak
  |     |   Comment #10
#9..Not if you had bought them when there was a decent base rate and in the early 2000's you could buy $30k per individual per year, $60k for a married couple per year.
sharon907
  |     |   Comment #15
Wrong Mak #10

30 year treasuries, bought in 2000, would provide a much greater return than i bonds, bought in 2000. as they should, as there is risk to 30 year treasuries, that do not exist, with i bonds.

if you keep searching i am sure you will find a time when i bonds outperform, something.

2020 for instance, 30 year treasuries have fallen hard since then, and finally, this year, i bonds are creating a return, above 0%.
Mak
  |     |   Comment #21
Sharon, you didn't say anything about comparing them to treasuries, the I-bonds I own have done better than CDs.
sharon907
  |     |   Comment #23
Wrong Again Mak # 21

First, my comment was that i-bonds have not performed well over the past decade. You responded by claiming i-bonds bought in 2000 have performed well. That is incorrect, when you compare with other 20-30 year duration investments available in 2000. CDs in 2000 and today, do not have 20-30 year durations. Any CD you bought in 2000 that has not matured, is, in fact, performing MUCH better than your i-bonds.

Second, many CDs bought over the past 10 years have rates in the 3-4.25% range. So, while a rational person would not compare i-bonds bought in 2000 with CDs bought in the past few years, even then, your glib conclusion that a few i-bonds have "done better than CDs" is indeed, overly glib.  The i-bond inflation component has ranged 0-1% much of the past decade.
Mak
  |     |   Comment #25
#23..
You assume that most people that buy CDs hunt for the highest rate out there, I disagree with that assumption so I also disagree with your 3% to 4.25% range. on CDs. The base rate on my I-bonds average 2.4% without the inflation component so I disagree with your comment that I-bonds over the last 5 to 10 years has been poor, they haven't been for me and that is the only thing that matters to me.
sharon907
  |     |   Comment #26
Mak, # 25.

You keep changing the goal post.

I mention ibonds bought in the past TEN YEARS have done poorly, you make the unrelated - wrong - statement that ibonds bought in 2020 have outperformed, something.

I point out ibonds bought in 2020 did not outperform other bonds, and you claim they outperformed non existent 30 year CDs.

Now, you argue outperformance is irrelevant.
Mak
  |     |   Comment #29
"anyone who has owned ibonds for the past decade, knows that even with the current rate, the rate over the past 5 - 10 years has been poor."
I never changed the goal post and this is my last comment on the topic.
I've owned them for the past decade and they have not been a poor performer for me, anyone that bought them in the last 5 to 10 years would have to have their head examined.
Mak
  |     |   Comment #30
Sharon, here is your comment ":of course, anyone who has owned ibonds for the past decade, knows that even with the current rate, the rate over the past 5 - 10 years has been poor"
Here is my original reply to you
:#9..Not if you had bought them when there was a decent base rate and in the early 2000's you could buy $30k per individual per year, $60k for a married couple per year.
__________________
I'm not sure why that bothers you so much unless you bought them in the last 5 to 10 years, if so that would explain it.
Mak
  |     |   Comment #28
Wasn't sure myself so I figured it out what the total return on my I-Bonds for the last 5 Years and 10 years, this does not figure in that they are state tax exempt and I did not figure in any compounding or tax deferral.
Not stock market numbers but I'll take it..;)

Without the new rate, average per year:
5 years---4.93%
10 years 4.25%

With the new rate, average per year:
5 years ---5.69%
10 years--- 4.49%
P_D
  |     |   Comment #11
Comment #3 is comparing buying Series I bonds now with buying brokered CDs now (not comparing with previously purchased I bonds). The clear disadvantage of buying the Series I bonds now is the dollar cap. Even the "65K" cap given in the question (which is already likely far lower than the brokered CD cap) is more theoretical than realistic. Most people are limited to buying only a fraction of that in Series I bonds now.

So to answer your question #3 that is what you are missing. It's really an apples and oranges comparison since the dollar caps are so far apart.

But I do like the point anyway. It's creatively constructed and theoretically useful.
Choice
  |     |   Comment #12
Spouses 20k, 2 sole proprietorships, 2 trusts, joint tax refund 5k provides easy $65k. Each year.  Then there are (undelivered) gifts.   Now back to the original inquiry. 
P_D
  |     |   Comment #13
#12
I get it. I am aware of the list of those things. But many potential I bond buyers do not have a spouse, a sole proprietorship, a trust or a joint tax refund let alone two of each. Furthermore, in the case of some of those qualifying entities, it is not a single owner you are talking about but multiple owners needed to total $65k. Owning an asset in a trust is a separate ownership from individual or joint ownership.


The brokered CD does not require any of those things and has a higher cap even if you had all of them.
Choice
  |     |   Comment #14
The rate difference is meaningless then in your view. Others with a different view? Creativity will get a family unit to the needed TD accounts
Beef
  |     |   Comment #8
Good point, and don't forget about treasuries. 2-year notes are paying about 2.72% and the effective yield could be higher since interest income is free from state taxes.
lou
  |     |   Comment #5
Keep your powder dry. Don't buy CDs or treasuries now. Interest rates are about to ascend to heights we haven't seen in a very long time. Locking in your money at the current rates would be extremely foolhardy.
mffarrell
  |     |   Comment #6
Agree, I am only purchasing short-term T-Bills, under 6 mo.
sharon907
  |     |   Comment #7
Two years late.

10 year treasuries were at 0.5%, two years ago. 2.90% today.
mffarrell
  |     |   Comment #20
Yes, but the coupon is 2.25%. In a rising rate environment the YTM will rise, but the said bond price will decline and you will lose money if you sell before maturity.
sharon907
  |     |   Comment #24
What?

I was responding to lou's glib advice that treasury rates are "about to ascend."

They already have.
mffarrell
  |     |   Comment #27
My point was talking about the current coupon of 2.25%. That is the only thing that matters when rates are rising, unless you have to sell before maturity.

The 2.9% you mentioned is the APY, which has no effect on the coupon. I believe the focus should be on the coupon, unless you think interest rates will fall.
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gregk
  |     |   Comment #31
I've not bought Treasuries since before the Financial Crisis in the early 2000's, and though the time is not yet, suspect that's the deposit instrument we'll all be loading into as CD rates continue to lag
far behind.

Ken's always commenting that FI's are overburdened with funds and don't want our money, -
something we need never be anxious about in regards to the Federal Government, - and nice to
contemplate no more worries over being shut out of premium CU offers because late to the
stampede, or jumping through membership hoops, or the tedium of fussy documentation demands.

Incidentally too, the value of Deposit Accounts will likely plummet, as we no longer depend on Ken's informational pipeline to know where the best rates are.
JimDavis
  |     |   Comment #32
lol, not so sure DA is doomed. But nice try!
Choice
  |     |   Comment #33
Metrics tell all. What are the number of registrants, % that actively participate over x term, Ken's earn out provisions, etc. If it doesn't get measured it doesn't get done
gregk
  |     |   Comment #34
What's the "it" that "doesn't get done" (without quantification) Choice?

I'm only suggesting that many here (like me) never look at anything but the "headlines" on DA (and the comments section with member views), not wanting
to miss any "good deals" he's always alerted us to, and in that regard my attention isn't what it once was as we get an endless succession of low-ball deposit account write-ups of little interest and attraction. Not blaming Ken for that. He's got his tried and true practices and routines here oriented around Bank & Credit Union products. But if Treasuries (and Government debt in general) are going to be where the action is now (as I believe) the focus of DA will have to change in some fashion to reflect that for readership to be maintained.
mffarrell
  |     |   Comment #35
I finding that brokered CDs are the way to go at this moment. I have been laddering t-bills, and purchased a 6 mo. brokered CD @ 1.5% today.
JimDavis
  |     |   Comment #38
imo its too early to go out 6 months . im waiting for the next hike to start buying anything
mffarrell
  |     |   Comment #39
Maybe, a 50 basis point rate hike in increase is already baked-in. Maybe late summer CDs will worth investing more.
Choice
  |     |   Comment #36
"the value of Deposit Accounts will likely plummet, as we no longer depend on Ken's informational pipeline to know where the best rates are." Your words and I responded thereto since I didn't see any metrics for "it" to be forecasted.
lou
  |     |   Comment #37
Treasury and CD yields seem to take turns as to which is more attractive at any single time. Early in any period where rates are going up, treasuries usually lead the way because of their sensitivity to the market, but later on CDs catch up (at the least the most attractive ones) and usually surpass treasuries as the more attractive option. DA will continue to be a valuable resource for this community and hopefully it will continue for a very long time.
gregk
  |     |   Comment #40
Have you bought Treasuries any time in the last two decades, Lou? I doubt it.
Treasuries have been pretty irrelevant for individual investors since well before the Financial Crisis, and have never "led the way" rate-wise from then until now.
lou
  |     |   Comment #41
If you're talking about long term CDs or treasuries (4 to 5 yrs) I usually stick with CDs because I like the certainty of a EWP as opposed to an uncertain markdown of the treasuries in a rising interest rate market.

Interestingly, in the last fifteen years we have had only a market where either interest rates were falling or at zero except for very brief periods. Long-term CDs were the more attractive option throughout this time.

I believe there will be a point if the Fed continues to raise rates throughout the remainder of the year, some credit unions will begin to launch more attractive CD products to compete for deposits. I really don't think this is some kind of secular change in the market where treasuries will always have higher rates than equivalent CDs.
gregk
  |     |   Comment #42
We shall see, of course. But if we're now about to enter a period of prolonged "stagflation" (as I believe is very possible), then Treasuries are almost certain
to offer significantly higher rates than substantially equivalent CD's. There just
won't be enough private sector loan demand to drive up Bank & Credit Union
enticements for funds. Government debt (as I said) will be where all the action is
for individual investors, even as it's increasingly shunned by the big pension funds
and foreign entities. At some point, of course, the "big mama" of deliberate and large scale currency devaluation (or debt restructuring) will hit all of us holding this stuff and change the game again entirely for the worse. Clock ticking.
JimDavis
  |     |   Comment #43
treasuries are useful in a trading account, as they are marginable , cd's are not
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