What Do You All Think Of The 4, 5 And 6 Years At 4.65 / 4.75 Or 4.85

gratitudecd
  |     |   83 posts since 2022

Would you put $100K in any of those or is it too long out as part of a ladder where I don't have any 5 or 6 years. Thanks!

Ally6770
  |     |   4,324 posts since 2010
I have bought out as far as 15 years in the past. I never had to break any of them. Many of the CD's allow you to take out the interest if needed without penalty. If you are laddering you will always of a CD's maturing depending
what your time span is for them. At one point we had CD's maturing every 3 months and later at every 6 months and after the kids were grown we again consolidated the CD's and now I have then maturing yearly but with the savings rates so high I have enough for a new car or new roof or most any emergency without breaking any of the CD's.
With compounding the higher APY and the longer the CD is, the rate of return will be higher. But doing this depends on your situation.
Only you can make that decision.
Having an emergency fund or a CD coming due regularly is important.
gratitudecd
  |     |   83 posts since 2022
That makes a ton of sense Ally6770 - but how about the rate of return. If the fund target is 2.5% than it's only paying about 2 points higher , is it a good rate to lock in now or do you say better to keep liquid. I'm torn b/c I have 50% of my funds become liquid in 2026.
Ally6770
  |     |   4,324 posts since 2010
No one knows what can happen. If you have an emergency fund with a reward checking account, or nice savings account or in 3-6 or 12 month CD's if you feel you want to wait for you other CD's mature and is it big enough for expected emergencies that is your decision. These accounts are all paying over 5%. Do you have a secure job, are you healthy and have insurance? What are the penalties for your CD's if you need it? Can you get the interest without penalty if you need it?

I have everything tied up in my emergency fund in a 5.5% savings account. After summer and winter taxes are paid and my gifting to the kids it will be 6 1/2 % of my money.
But I am retired and have secure income with my RMD, pension and SS. You have to make your decisions.
We have been debt free since 1980. But then we had 2 children in college and one went for 6 years and one went on to med school. We had rules for them 3.5 in all grades or higher. No cars, no one perfect but let us know before we hear if from someone else or no college help from us. Same rules in college and a minimum of 15 hours in college, stay on campus, no car and never get in trouble. If you can afford a car or an apartment you can afford college on your own. One worked 96 hours in the summer and the other worked 107 hours. I worked 2 jobs and my husband worked all the overtime he could. Many weeks he worked 80 hours or more. Everyones situation is different.
But also remember while you wait and have money to invest in a higher rate CD or other account for a longer time you are also losing money by doing nothing. Figure out what the APY of the CD's will pay with the interest rate compounded at the end of 5 yrs. I am sure you will find out that will be well over 5% for a 5 yr CD. Rates I think are more likely to go down more rather than up. The 3, 6 and 12 month CD's are paying a good rate at over 5% still, if you want to earn something until your other CD's are mature get one or some of those. But I wouldn't wait for rates to go up. Just make sure what your penalties are if you do not have an emergency fund and other things in your life are secure for the things you can control. Ladder CD's so you can always have one mature. You will not always get the highest rate but every penny is invested all the time. You can add money to them or take money out as they mature.
No one can be 100% sure of their future. Just plan to able to get what you need if there is an unexpected incident in your life. Don't worry, just plan.
And do what you feel is right for you and your situation.
What is and was right for our family may not be right for you. Only you can make that decision.
gratitudecd
  |     |   83 posts since 2022
Ally Thank you so much for you thoughtful advise and genuine post. Means a great deal.
milty
  |     |   1,693 posts since 2018
Assuming putting $100K in any of those longer-term CDs will not leave you cash poor, I personally do not expect CD rates to go up over the next 4 or 5 years, but I do expect savings account rates to drop. However, whether or not savings account rates will continue to beat longer-term CDs I don't know, but historically this would not be the case.
Ally6770
  |     |   4,324 posts since 2010
In 1999 I took everything out of the market after 3 years in making 20-30 and 40% in mutual funds all on hype. Balance sheets were no different. Everyone told me I was crazy. I bought 8-9-and 10% CD's as far out as I could. One was for 15 years. My last 2 10 year CD's matured in 2018. It got me through 1999 when the pubs were saying dig a hole, build a shelter in the ground with a steel door and a steel bar cuz computers are going to go fail on Jan 1 2,000. Stock up with your guns, ammunition, food and water. Computers are not going to work take your money out cuz your credit card won't work.Then the next few years there were the twin towers, the banking crisis etc. COVID and other bad downturns.
Ever few years one happens. When you think the market is at its top go for it. I can't get any 10 yr CD anymore. The community banks is where they are more apt to be independent. The CEO about of one about 10 miles from me ended up be the head of the bankers association when I was still working. It is hard to fine an independent bank or savings and loan now that is good. I am 100% in credit unions. Down to 15 now. Everyones situation is different and not of know what we don't know. That is why we discuss things on this blog out accounts. Started with oil and OPEC in the 70's and 80's. What works for one person in their situation doesn't work for others.
The retirees use other finance blogs or read their books.
We had a finance class in the 50's for the whole 9th grade. Every school should have it. When I graduated I bought my parents a gift. I realized what it cost to raise a family.
happyharold4
  |     |   401 posts since 2022
@gratitudecd---To answer the original question---Yes I personally would---But I'd break it up with 50K in 6 yr, 25K in 5 yr, and 25K in 4 yr.---It's definitely subjective and that's just my take.
gratitudecd
  |     |   83 posts since 2022
Mr. Harold - so basically your saying - (72) 4.85% = 50% , (60) 4.75% = 25% and (48) 4.65% = 25% .. so my interest is 4.77% . I think that may be a good plan. Ms. Ally and Mr. P_D do you concur? This would leave me with $100K cash as liquid, a paid off house with ($15K in yearly taxes and HOA and utilities) and no car payment except for insurance ($3K) and Medical. So in essence 3 years of safety net.
gratitudecd
  |     |   83 posts since 2022
Never mind :-( all the rates went down by .5% and more!
Ratesaver
  |     |   187 posts since 2013
I have been doing exactly what Ally has been doing for a little longer . I had 6 cds come due this yr and about 7 for next yr. That said I have a 2.50% lowest from Penfed that has a harsh cash out so I am leaving it alone. That said I am now having more trouble with my computer to keep track of all of them than worried about keeping track of all of them and the time it takes to make sure the updates on the computer are ok... Hopefully the rates won't fall to quick.
Ally6770
  |     |   4,324 posts since 2010
Ratesaver and who else may be interested- -
I also do all my CD's on a big paper spreadsheet. It lists each CD, the original amount, the name of the institution, the APY, the phone number, acct. number, member number and when it will mature and where it moved to if it was. I list the information in a better order than I listed them here. My book of spreadsheets has 13 columns across and each column has a big white space above them that you can put the column contains. It has 40 lines down and each of the 13 sections across has 8 lined boxes for numbers etc and wider one for cents. I use one page for each CD. They are 2 sided pages. When you open the book you have 26 columns across if you need it, or you can use a CD on each side. I can also put in the monthly or yearly interest using 2 of the columns that helps with keeping track of my yearly income for conversions. I also use Papermate erasable pens.

Every DEC I make a list from the spreadsheets with the names of the institution, phone number, the type of CD it is and the maturities and color code the dates for the existing year and the following year. I keep that sheet in my my color coded calendar that I use a different color pen or pencil for anniversaries, birthdays, doctor and dentist appointments and CD maturities. I like the calendars from the Dollar Tree that when you open them the whole month is on both pages. I like that each day in this calendar has a box with 8 lines in it. They are sold out usually by the end of Aug. So if you want one call around and they usually are on an end cap. We have several stores in my town.
In the spreadsheet book I also sort the pages by Roths, Traditional and Reg Cd's and paperclip each the spreadsheets together in the book.
I also put an alarm on my phone 2 months before CD's become due to remind me to make sure I have the directions made for maturity, start checking rates, and make sure I have the paper work if I want to move it. Having the paperwork is a little tricky. Sometimes you can download them and print them days before the CD matures while making arrangements and so fax the paperwork to them from one of the local credit unions you belong.
Remember with a traditional IRA that you have to take the RMD out if you decide to move it.
Because of my age my children also have a copy with the amount redacted.
They also have an institution copy that names them both beneficiaries on each CD. Both being on each CD makes sure that they will not forget one. Make sure the institution marks the % for each beneficiary. Most are 50-50. When my husband passed and they were at my house they got on conference calls with the credit unions and gave their instructions for the CD's that I had taken my name off days before he passed so they could inherit them and then I disclaimed his IRA's. They printed out the paperwork, made copies of their drivers license etc and faxed it in. Each institution separated them as inherited IRA's or as reg Cd's with the same interest rates because they were higher than the newer rates so they had time to decide what they they were going to do with and invest the money.
I had a Mac crash and lost all my son's music. I won't even use
thumb drives now. Everything is on a spreadsheets.
One of my sons even uses a separate computer, a separate email address and thumb drives for anything that he does with banking and stocks etc. Years ago Clark Howard said that he did this on his radio show and I mentioned it to the boys.
So even if there is a fire, a tornado etc there are extra copies with the boys having copies.
But I actually have a small suitcase on wheels in the hall closet outside my
bedroom with the handle up ready to grab with all of this stuff in it with 2 sets of clothes and personal items and a plastic bag
with my prescription bottles on top of the suitcase in case I have to leave in a hurry, but easy to get to when I fill my prescription box for 2 weeks. I also have a day and night pills that I carry in my purse and change them every time I fill my 2 week pill case and put them in the next days box to take. I do not do mail order prescriptions. Many prescriptions are temperature sensitive. Check on the computer to see if yours are. On the sites where you can check your prescriptions that show what food not to eat with them, if they are compatible and if they are temperature sensitive etc is on these sites. Many are temperature sensitive and should be kept between 67º and 78º or they lose their effectiveness.
I pick them all up at the same time at the pharmacy in my grocery store. I pick them up every 3 months and 2 weeks early. So I always have nearly 2 weeks in the pill box and sometimes still 2 weeks in the bottles when I pick up my 90 supply when the 2 weeks in the box will be filled. You can call your insurance the first time or when you get a new prescription get it for 30 day a time or two if you want to get them all together. If they are just days apart then call the insurance company and mine approved it so I can pick them all up at the same time.
If you have locked safes and files with keys and combinations make sure the kids know where the sets of keys are hidden and have the combinations also.
milty
  |     |   1,693 posts since 2018
Hi Ally6770, Yes, time's winged chariot [is always] hurrying near, and applies to our estates, whether we like it or not, among other things. So, good for you in being so prepared. Anyway, I still use electronic files and spreadsheets, and backup any changes to an external SSD enclosure. I learned the hard way that I need to do this daily, and then monthly backup the SSD to a flash drive. And I have a second computer as well.
Ratesaver
  |     |   187 posts since 2013
Hay Mak, I am doing it just as you say you are but my point is getting older and having to deal with the constant computer updates at least on my 6yr old computers I just bought a new one and it is driiving me bananas to do the banking end of everything . I just brought it back to Best Buy where I got it. MY age is also a issue connecting banks and so fort. Thanks anyway

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