alan1
  |     |   870 posts since 2015
Thanks, NYCDoug.
I have one question. You wrote that this rate is for "new clients".

According to the info in the link you posted (including the fine print), I can see that it must be a new Money Market account that is funded with "new money" ("deposits not previously held by Amalgamated Bank").

But I did not notice anything requiring that one must be a new client (or customer) of the bank.
Did I miss something?
NYCDoug
  |     |   333 posts since 2011
You caught me, Alan! I simplified / overgeneralized. Apologies for my shorthand inaccuracy!
I defer to your research & insight — which is why I included the link.

Not sure it's worth spelling this all out, but . . .

For most of us (without any current relationship with Amlgamated) we'd need to become new clients / customers in order to take advantage of this offer. That much seems clear . . . but YMMV :-)

Nonetheless, a darn good deal, methinks, however you manage to swing it . . .  A cut above the competition, particularly with regard to (1) a fixed rate — if only for six months; and (2) complete liquidity (for other opportunities, should they arise) — save for the $10k commitment.

Compare with 6-month CDs, currently yielding no greater than 4.5% . . .

I'm kinda curious, though, whether existing Amalgamated customers were notified directly about this offer
Rickny
  |     |   1,275 posts since 2017
Didn't realize money market account.  What happens after the 6 months? You can get 4.5% with CIT and not sure if they still have the $300 bonus. I had to ask for the rate bonus too for the 4.5''%.  Base rate is 4.1%.
NYCDoug
  |     |   333 posts since 2011
For some perspective, a broader comparison here:
https://depositquest.substack.com/p/deposit-diary-daily-359
InterestYields
  |     |   71 posts since 2010
Regarding https://www.amalgamatedbank.com/mma-promotion bank told me while inbound ACH transfer limit is $250,000 "external" outbound ACH daily limit is only $5,000 (with no ability to request a higher ACH limit).. POD beneficiaries would also require paper forms.. I did do the 4.5% APY CIT+$300 promo & multiple LiveOak $300 promos which both allow $250,000 ACH transfers & online POD beneficiary management. Anyone else having external bank issues at Ally Bank? 5.2% Ally CDs maturing in July will need a new bank with their rates & external bank technical issues..
Rickny
  |     |   1,275 posts since 2017
I'm getting a little tired on chasing savings rates. Did some bonuses but keeping my Primis checking paying 4.4% and now CIT paying 4.5. I did have Poppy but since they dropped drastically I'm moving my funds out. Went for another NY MTA Muni paying 4.5 % income tax free. Also a Hughes Mini Jumbo 17 month @ 4.5%.
NYCDoug
  |     |   333 posts since 2011
Is your MTA Muni callable, Rick? Earlier this week I got a cold call from a bond salesman hawking this Muni — 64990CJB8 — on the secondary market, offering it to me at par 5% from his inventory . . . while he presumably pockets the markup from a discounted 4.98% (approximated).  Next call: Jan 2027. Did this bond novice [me]  pass up a good deal?
P_D_1
  |     |   443 posts since 2025
The bond you were offered is not MTA, it's DASNY.

In my opinion both are very risky because NY, in spite of having some of the highest taxes in the country, is on the verge of bankruptcy due to reckless spending and their governor and state officials are pushing outrageous corrupt budgets that may well finish the job.

On top of that they are losing their wealthiest people who are leaving the state due to the confiscatory taxes and may find that that they will not have the option to confiscate their wealth anymore to fund the corrupt spending.  In the meantime they are boasting about being a sanctuary for illegals and spending billions of dollars to provide them with fancy hotels, cell phones and 3 culturally appropriate meals every day (did I mention free healthcare, school and college).  Who is going to keep paying for that when all the people they soak are fleeing?  It's a perfect storm of fiscal disaster.
NYCDoug
  |     |   333 posts since 2011
Ah . . . the big picture! I keep forgetting. Especially when offered 5% tax free ("$5,000 on a $100k purchase") with only limited inventory. And a short time to decide.

Hmmmm No pressure, right?
Rickny
  |     |   1,275 posts since 2017
MTA Bonds are rated AA by Fitch. The MTA also controls the NYC Subways, Bridges and tunnels within the NYC boroughs and the commuter railroads within the lower Hudson valley. They get sales tax revenue, tolls and fares (when paid, HA!.) and aid from the city, state and feds. I'm confident in the MTAs paying ability. Of course there is risk.

We took our 1st trip to see the Intrepid museum on the west side in 3 years (I live 25 miles from NYC). The city is filled with tourists and the rents in NYC are sky rocketing. My brother in laws house is Brooklyn which is tiny and a dump is worth 1.5 million. Another relative has people begging to buy their attached house for 1.4 million. I agree NY is a corrupt state and I pay ridiculous taxes (we are looking to move) but the city and state have money coming in.

Doug did not state that his bond was MTA. He just has the CUSIP number. A state agency floats the bonds for the college so they get a better rate being a tax free bond.

New School is a BIG liberal college too.
Rickny
  |     |   1,275 posts since 2017
In almost every case they are callable. My bond is callable 2030 so for 5 years I get that rate. Most bonds are called depending on rate direction.

Your bond will mostly likely will be called 1/27 unless rates go up. If not called, they will not mature till 2046. If you have to sell you can lose or gain when you sell the bond. Your bond is a dormitory bond for the New School. New School is a private university, and you would have to decide their ability to make the payments. If the school goes under you lose your capital. I couldn't find the bond rating for safety. I would ask for that.

I prefer bonds that have a revenue source like the MTA or NYC water bonds that collect revenues and the state won't allow them to default as they need financing to function. NY state school district bonds have an intercept clause that the bonds can intercept school aid to pay bonds. NYC Health and Hospitals have a similar set up with federal reimbursements (at leaset when I owned them years ago).

The New School is expected to breakeven by the time the 2024 fiscal year ends on June 30, despite a projected $57 million budget deficit.

The university’s short-term and long-term financial stabilization plans to address the deficit were endorsed by the Board of Trustees in December, university spokesperson Merrie Snead told the New School Free Press in an email.

The university has made substantial progress in executing their plan through “several mitigation actions,” according to Snead. If their plan is fully realized, “the expectation is that the university will end the fiscal year near or breakeven,” Snead said.

The first phase of the university’s plan to address the deficit — stabilizing the university’s current finances — was accomplished by “reducing planned expenditures.” The university did not detail exactly what these expenditures were in their comment.
I'd pass.
NYCDoug
  |     |   333 posts since 2011
Wonderful info, Rick ~ So kind of you . . . THANK YOU!

I hope to be able to read the tea leaves someday, as fluently as you  :-)
alan1
  |     |   870 posts since 2015
NYCDoug -- There are numerous sources for finding out bond ratings for a particular CUSIP.
This is from EMMA (Electronic Municipal Market Access) -- click on "Ratings" and keep on scrolling:https://emma.msrb.org/Security/Details/A2C0FC55CB25ABED798D4124BBE6248DD

As Rickny noted, the key to this bond's safety is the financial health of the New School. You can safely ignore P_D_1's comment about "culturally appropriate meals".
NYCDoug
  |     |   333 posts since 2011
Thanks, Alan!
Something definitely to chew on — culturally appropriate, or not . . .

Time for a late lunch, now :-)
P_D_1
  |     |   443 posts since 2025
Ignore the facts at your peril. Fiscal responsibility is all that backs these bonds. And it is nonexistent in New York government. And the corruption there is rampant. Case in point their Attorney General is all lawyered up and being investigated by both state and federal governments for fraud and a whole list of illegal acts.
Rickny
  |     |   1,275 posts since 2017
Your comments are too general. There are many local, city entities that issue bonds as well as the state and various agencies. These bonds all have different ratings and the entities having the abilities to pay. As with all bonds (Federal bonds backed by US government) have risk. Bond paying has nothing to do with the Attorney General who I would like to be impeached.
Ratesaver
  |     |   185 posts since 2013
I believe everyone should be looking at longer term cds. I think that is if you can go long term it is almost advisable to do so. Well money market rates are up you will drive yourself nuts in 6mo. what to do with the investment. Get a 4% rate on a cd while they are pretty much around and go for about 3rys and I don't think you can go wrong.
NYCDoug
  |     |   333 posts since 2011
I'm thinking it would be handy to have around some accessible liquid cash, in the event of a market crash . . . in order to leverage the dip

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