Reporting I Bond Interest On Tax Return

md2121
  |     |   9 posts since 2022

I'm trying to complete 2022 1040 on Turbo Tax. I understand that you only get 1099 when you cash in I Bond. I want to report interest annually. Who is the payer (Treasury Direct)? Is there an address? Is there a EIN or TIN for Treasury Direct? Do I just indicate that the number I'm entering is I Bond interest?



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Ltssharon
  |     |   471 posts since 2020
Hi, This will also be my first year of paying accrued taxes on ibonds, paper and electronic, which I have had from 2000 til now. I have a scheme. At treasury direct there is a link to PAPER ibonds. I typed in the long number from each paper ibond, and the issue date, put in a date of december 1 2022, and it calculated a list of interest earned from issue date through 2022 for each paper ibond. I also saved that list using the treasury direct guidance of how to save the list so I can call it up in later years. Treasury direct has a different procedure for electronic stuff, so I followed that and got information for electronic ibonds, both the private accounts, and the entity accounts. i plan to use these lists to enter my income earned into the income area of taxes this year. It will be a lot of income and will screw up what I pay for medicare this year. That aside, next year i will do the same. Next year the interest earned for 2023 will be the difference in total income accumulated from issue date to Dec. 1 2023 minus the total income accumulated from issue date to 2022. In my 2023 taxes, I will keep both the 2022 list and the 2023 list. Rinse and repeat each year. That is how I will keep track of everything. I use H & R block. Thank you for your question.
sams1985
  |     |   781 posts since 2022
Off topic but is turbo tax easy to use ? my wife has 2 w2’s and I mostly have interest/ dividend income. I think the lost complicated thing I have is a an early withdrawal penalty deduction and my wife has some RSU’s. Do you recommend it for beginners ?
MY2CENTSWORTH
  |     |   436 posts since 2016
sams1985, the EWP should show on your 1099 and the RSU should show on your wife's W-2's along with any income taxes that were withheld. I haven't used TurboTax most recently, but as most of them are easy to follow along you should be good using it IMO.
glasses
  |     |   21 posts since 2019
Turbo tax is very easy to navigate. I have used it for a decade. Once you have used it, it will populate your return the following year with all the pertinent info from your prior year's return, minus the actual amounts. Makes it much quicker. It's pretty easy to follow and they offer several levels so that you can start with a lower priced level and always upgrade if it turns out you need the more sophisticated version because of your individual tax situation.
IGR
  |     |   580 posts since 2020
It is not about Turbo Tax, I would need to consult with CPA to figure all the consequences.
You would need to notify IRA that you are changing the Method of the Accounting.
You would need to consult with CPA if it is possible and how to make a change in Accounting Method for specific income or the change would be applicable to all income per Taxpayer Identity.
You would need to keep you records until Bond is redeemed to calculate and deduct Taxes previously paid... for 30 years if you keep Bond till final maturity.
Why don't you redeem annually the portion of Bond equal to annual interest earned, or in some other increments?
Let me know, please, how it works and if it is worthwhile an effort.
Ltssharon
  |     |   471 posts since 2020
When you say IRA do you actually mean IRS?
Ltssharon
  |     |   471 posts since 2020
try going here to learn you just start reporting interest:
https://www.treasurydirect.gov/savings-bonds/tax-information-ee-i-bonds/
also irs publication 550 , page 7
You can make this decision yourself depending on what is important to you. Or consult a CPA if you wish not to make this decision yourself. I am not trying to convince anyone to do what I am.
Ltssharon
  |     |   471 posts since 2020
Please read irs publication 550 page 8. If I do not pay taxes on the interest I earn from ibonds each year, and the interest is not included as part of my estate then the heirs must pay taxes on it. See irs pub 550 page 8 for clarification and to verify for your own .
IGR
  |     |   580 posts since 2020
Sure it meant IRS.
I'm curious myself how it works, although navigating and interpreting volumes of IRS publications is pretty inefficient way of improving the return.
I would rather invest the effort into increasing "tax burden" by increasing inheritable estate.
I like @CTM point that prepaying taxes today amounts to partially giving up the compounding and discounting current and future inflations.
of course every situation is personal and every decision is individual..., where "7-9 years" time horizon is alarmingly precise!?
Ltssharon
  |     |   471 posts since 2020
I agree, it is better to be efficient. You are correct regarding giving up the compounding of the interest the taxes paid could have earned. I don't understand the meaning of "!? " punctuation.
IGR
  |     |   580 posts since 2020
I once tried to look onto EWP from the point of view of tax reduction component.
Decided, that while it is viable, my effort should rather be invested into generating more taxable return.
I am "happy" to pay more taxes for as long as it corresponds to higher Income. The Socialism' aspect of taxes doesn't burden me much. The Socialists' propaganda for the benefits of not having Taxable income or having Taxable Income and Income Tax on Equitably fair basis would bother me more!
of course every situation is personal and every decision is individual
IGR
  |     |   580 posts since 2020
"!? "
because it is "alarmingly precise!", cross the question mark
GreenDream
  |     |   358 posts since 2019
"Why don't you redeem annually the portion of Bond equal to annual interest earned, or in some other increments?"

While I agree that partial redemptions can be a good alternative to annual interest reporting particularly as it gives you more flexibility in planning how much taxes to pay in any given year (and thus something that md2121 might want to consider), in Ltssharon's case not so much as each partial redemption includes proportional amounts of both principal and interest, meaning less principal is left for the heirs while the same proportion of taxable interest for decades worth of accrual remain (even if the total amount of both is now lower).

As I understand Ltssharon's posts, the object is to leave the value of the bonds to the heirs without leaving them a huge tax bill/burden to go along with it.

So, for what Ltssharon wants, annual reporting is not necessarily a bad way of going about it, IMO. It takes care of all the tax on prior years interest, leaving the heirs to only have to worry about any interest that accrues while they own the bonds. The downside is the added efforts in properly reporting it (and making sure the heirs know that the prior years taxes had been paid least they end up paying it again) and the added tax burden in the present for Ltssharon (as all savings bonds will have to be reported annually from here on out and taxes on all the prior years interest would need to be accounted for).
Ltssharon
  |     |   471 posts since 2020
md2121,
If you inherited any of your ibonds, be sure to read IRS publication 550, page 8, column 3. Pull out the estate taxes of the person you inherited from. Figure out if they already paid taxes on the ibonds you inherited from the issue date to the date of their death. The answer to that makes a difference in how much interest you owe taxes on . Hope this helps.
GreenDream
  |     |   358 posts since 2019
md2121,

Since you didn't give a reason for why you want to report interest annually. you may want to consider the alternative, mentioned by myself and others, of doing partial redemptions each year. That way you can take on as much or as little ibond tax burden as you are comfortable with for your current year tax situation (plus you'll get a 1099 instead of having to figure it all out on your own).
Choice
  |     |   937 posts since 2020
One of the TD menus has a pull down tax info/message for all/each year…payor should be the same for accrual ibond taxpayer. I use to suggest attaching individual calculation with each ibond identifier for all of them in first year/election.  Make sure you keep a copy of return(s) to show what you did when/if you get “challenged” for nonpayment in years of redemption.  Then see what your tax person thinks
CTM
  |     |   179 posts since 2010
md2121 -

I’d like to understand your, and ltssharon’s, preference for paying taxes yearly instead of when the savings bond is cashed or matures. I believe the tax deferral feature of I-Bonds (or savings bonds in general) is the one major benefit compared to TIPS or plain vanilla Treasury securities. (Yes, I know TIPS can go negative, but they also have a much larger spread than I-Bonds.)

For a long term holder, the prospect of paying taxes thirty years in the future, with inflated dollars and inflated tax brackets, seems like a double-dip benefit.
Ltssharon
  |     |   471 posts since 2020
I agree with your point. However I may die within the next 7-9 years and wish not to leave the tax burdens . My heirs are in high tax brackets.
Choice
  |     |   937 posts since 2020
May? Why not talk to them now and see what they may suggest…if they are in high tax brackets…perhaps their favorite charity or….
JeffinEasternFL
  |     |   744 posts since 2020
won't the heirs get a stepped-up basis???
GreenDream
  |     |   358 posts since 2019
No. Ibonds are not eligible for a step-up in basis. They're taxed as ordinary income, not capital gains. Federal taxes are due on the accumulated amount of interest since original purchase when they are cashed out or matured regardless of whether it's you or your heirs who own them at the time.
JeffinEasternFL
  |     |   744 posts since 2020
TY, I never asked but that makes sense...
Ltssharon
  |     |   471 posts since 2020
ctm, I forgot to add to my reasons, that actually I have a fairly low income this year, so paying the ibond interest that has been accumulating since the ibonds were issued this particular year makes sense in that regard. Others may have better schemes, but I am comfortable with this decision. I have until I pay my 2022 taxes to change my mind, though. Thank goodness there are no state taxes on ibond interest.
GreenDream
  |     |   358 posts since 2019
"I have a fairly low income this year, so paying the ibond interest that has been accumulating since the ibonds were issued this particular year makes sense in that regard."

That would indeed be the best time to do something like this. During my expected "low income" years (still several years from now, mainly in my 60s between retiring and collecting SS at 70 and probably also into my 70s prior to RMDs kicking in for me at 75) I plan to move as much of my 401k money into a Roth IRA as I can manage without triggering IRMAA or other negative tax consequences so that when I do start taking RMDs, they won't trigger IRMAA or other negative tax consequences!
CuriousDave
  |     |   233 posts since 2018
In addition to the reason given by md2121, it may make sense for full term I Bond owners with substantial I Bond inventories to begin reporting interest annually within, say, at least 10 years prior to maturity, to minimize the huge balloon of taxable interest in year #30 when the bonds mature, which may then put the owner in a higher tax bracket in addition to creating the dreaded IRMAA problem. Of course, deferring tax even for 20 years will produce a large balloon of taxable interest, so advance tax planning is advisable for savers with large I Bond holdings.
Ltssharon
  |     |   471 posts since 2020
Thanks Curious Dave. Now that you bring it up, your reason, so well stated, was in my thought process also. I find it very difficult to recount all my reasons for my decisions all in one swoop. But I hope that my efforts will help others. Also I suppose the critical analysis (or cross examination) of my reasons will help others too.
GreenDream
  |     |   358 posts since 2019
Alternately, one could partially redeem them starting at least 10 years prior, which gives the flexibility to tailor the amount of interest taxed to the tax situation one finds themselves in each year. IE some years you might have more room in your tax budget for handling ibond interest tax than other years, depending on what your other taxable assets/income streams are providing you.
Partial redemption also gives the benefit of a 1099 tax form for the year rather than having to figure out the amount of interest to be taxed on your own.
Ltssharon
  |     |   471 posts since 2020
Greendream. Yes. I agree . Most of mine were purchased 2000, 2001, 2002


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