The 4 Week T-Bill Auctioned Today At An Investment Rate Of 5.964%. Thoughts On Why?

rockies
  |     |   295 posts since 2018

The only insight I seem to find is some speculation that market traders are pricing in the additional risk of a slight delay in Treasury payments due to the debt ceiling negotiations. Any other theories on why the rate is so high this week (compared to 3.905% in last week's auction)?



Answers
MAKNYC
  |     |   323 posts since 2015
https://wolfstreet.com/2023/05/06/utter-chaos-at-the-short-end-of-the-treasury-market-and-at-the-28-...
rockies
  |     |   295 posts since 2018
@MAKNYC
Thanks so much for this link. Great content and very thought provoking.

I have a few reactions to the article.
- The graph of 1-month vs. 2-month yields is very informative.....and quite dramatic.

- Even more informative is the analysis of how oversubscribed the 1-month T-bill auction was and the fact that "$76 billion in tenders had rates of over 5.84%." My interpretation of this is that the "smart money" Primary Dealers are pretty convinced there will be a default of some sort in early June.
 
- On the other hand, since the 2-month bill yield is behaving more normally, my interpretation is that the Primary Dealers are not yet concerned about a default risk for bill maturities longer than 1-month.

- I agree with one of the comments made on the article that "No major media organization is even mentioning this." And, this includes the major financial media. Why would that be? I find this odd.

- A second comment points out the fact that this upcoming week's 4-week bill auction is a "reopening" of an existing T-bill and, in the commenter's opinion, "last Thursday’s shockingly high auction yield of 4-week T-Bills (due June 6) will probably recur in this week’s 4-week T-Bill auction, given that the secondary market is currently pricing the T-Bill due June 13 at 5.45% bid – 5.33% ask."

- In summary, I will be keeping an eye on the secondary market action this week for the T-bill maturing June 13 and, potentially, consider buying this in the secondary market or participating in this Thursday's auction.

- I would be interested in other reactions to the article provided by MAKNYC as I learn a ton from all of you.
Infinityy
  |     |   107 posts since 2020
Yes, it's the risk of default. There's no guarantee it will be a "slight delay," either
CuriousDave
  |     |   233 posts since 2018
If the smart money seriously predicts debt default, would it not reduce its dollar denominated holdings - including short term Treasurys - and move into, say, gold, to hedge against the risk of dollar devaluation? The gold price has entered record territory lately but nowhere near the extent one might expect from such fears.
MAKNYC
  |     |   323 posts since 2015
Define default. I think you would be hard pressed to find anyone, other than the most cynical like a Peter Schiff, to expect a true default meaning a haircut or significant delay in repayment. Worst case in most rational actors minds is a day or so delay in repayment. Furthermore I know of no reason that would prevent the Federal Reserve from proactively stepping in. I suspect they would issue standing buy orders on every bill, note and bond as they hit their maturity date. They would offer to buy up each one at par + accrued interest and warehouse them until the politicians got their act together. Effectively temporary QE. Their cost of capital in creating money is zero and there are no limits so they would break even on everything yet provide the liquidity the markets need. The problem is if they did do this it wouldn’t be as seamless as a debt maturing….holders would have to proactively sell their securities at par to the FED.  So investors asleep at the wheel would lose some time value of money but markets would function.  And dealers would expect to be compensated for facilitating.   The FED has used every opportunity since 2008 to redefine what they are allowed to and supposed to do, and this one is relatively easy. Remember, they rationalized creative ways to facilitate purchase of corporate debt which is an explicit no-no, but they did it anyway.

I think Janet Yellen and the FED are most concerned, not about the temporary timing default, but the messaging and unintended consequences if they are forced to do something to counter congresses ineptitude.  It now opens another can of worms where markets fully expect such ongoing support in the future.  And it will.  And once politicians come to understand this, even the ones that still use AOL for email, I think that removes their urgency in formulating a political compromise, now and in the future.
Observer
  |     |   8 posts since 2022
Can't comment on why, but without intending to derail the OP's thread, I would appreciate some help on how to even see/obtain this type of rate.

As of 5/4/23 at 10:20PST, on Vanguard's site, I currently see a few options for a 4 Week T Bill.
Yields range from 5.261% to 5.356% with maturities from 06/16/2023 to 06/13/2023.

Looking at secondary market, I see the highest offering for a 4 Week T Bill to be...
CUSIP: 912797FM4 at 5.552% maturing on 06/06/2023.

So, where are you seeing 5.9% yields? Is this not available at Vanguard?

Thanks
rockies
  |     |   295 posts since 2018
@Observer
The Treasury posts the results from their auctions on TreasuryDirect. Here is the link to the 20 most recent auction results. The CUSIP you cited is the one that auctioned earlier today and the rates you are seeing are in the secondary market vs. the auction rate cited in the link below. Hope this helps.
https://treasurydirect.gov/auctions/announcements-data-results/
Marfa
  |     |   68 posts since 2022
The non competitive auction results today for the 1 month t bill was 99.545788 price/$100. I tried prior to their cutoff time to buy them at vanguard but was unable! Using Treasury website was not a problem.
Ltssharon
  |     |   471 posts since 2020
side thought: that high of an auction rate would cause secondary market rates to go down. Just a thought.
alan1
  |     |   876 posts since 2015
Observer -- The Bureau of the Fiscal Service announcement of the results of the 4-week Treasury bill auction for CUSIP 912797FM4 can be found at
https://www.treasurydirect.gov/instit/annceresult/press/preanre/2023/R_20230504_1.pdf
Observer
  |     |   8 posts since 2022
Self Education...
Removed dumb questions.
Confused1
  |     |   87 posts since 2018
i believe you are looking at the secondary market. You need to click on New Issues if you have that option at Vanguard
John19
  |     |   395 posts since 2022
Wow, I remember MAKNYC posting about this a few days ago but I forgot. Holy Moses!
IGR
  |     |   580 posts since 2020
Just out of curiosity.
Is there sound Investment strategy of converting %0.454212 /28 days into 5.964% Annual Yield of the Investment?
sams1985
  |     |   781 posts since 2022
The expected yield on this week's 4 week bill is 5.148 at Fidelity. Is this usually conservative or has it dipped back to normal levels?

Fidelity's treasury only MMF has cratered in recent weeks so i figured this would a good place to park my remaining funds every 4 weeks.
DMC
  |     |   46 posts since 2023
In my experience rolling 4-week T-bills over the last year it generally seems like the auction rate has exceeded the indicative yield (so, yes, it has been a bit “conservative”). Plus, for these latest auctions of bills maturing around the x date, the indicative yield is probably far less reliable because you just never know how the auction is going to turn out.

For what it’s worth, I’ve temporarily stopped rolling 4-week T-bills until the debt ceiling issue is clearly resolved. It's hard to imagine the government just defaulting on a T-bill, so it's almost certainly a matter of "when" not "if" you'll get your money back. And maybe everything will get equally badly impacted in the event of an actual default, so T-bills are the least bad option. But still just too much uncertainty and not enough of a yield premium for me at this point to stay in individual 4-week T-bills.
MAKNYC
  |     |   323 posts since 2015
Fidelity’s indicative yield on their auction page is useless, at least with regard to t-bill auctions in a positive rate environment. Better to pull up their secondary market trading page and look for maturities similar or the same as the bill being auctioned. Also keep in mind some of those maturing securities will be couponed notes and bonds so their yields will be slightly different due to their cash flows vis-à-vis the auctioned bill.

Tomorrows auction might receive a bump up in non-competitive bids due to the press received from last weeks auction. Generally non-competitive bids are irrelevant in determining auction yields, but it’s theoretically possible these ‘buy at any price’ orders could squeeze out more of the institutional interest which would generally be the yield determinant. I still doubt it….just possible.
sams1985
  |     |   781 posts since 2022
Auction results :4-Week 912797FN2 05/16/2023 06/13/2023
High rate 5.605%
Investment rate 5.723%
Confused1
  |     |   87 posts since 2018
I'm happy with todays result, I just wish I'd picked up some last week as well.
w00d00w
  |     |   360 posts since 2012
have no idea how Fidelity comes up with their expected Treasury yields at auction. for the most part, i just ignore that and use the Daily Treasury Par Yield Curve Rates as an estimate of what the auction will be. for this one, the Par Yield for the 1 month was 5.5% the day before auction.
JeffinEasternFL
  |     |   744 posts since 2020
Today's unemployment report and the "looming debt crisis"...
sams1985
  |     |   781 posts since 2022
Does anyone know when the next 4 week bill is auctioning ?
DMC
  |     |   46 posts since 2023
They auction every Thursday morning.


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