2024 Projected Long Term 5 Year CD Rates

MineSweeper
  |     |   68 posts since 2021

I wonder what the 2024 CD Rates will be. I expect that the rate will drop to 3.75% by the end of Q1 2024 if the Fed\s rate increases result in a lower inflation rate. Anybody have any thoughts on this issue?



Answers
Kaight
  |     |   1,192 posts since 2011
Of course nobody knows what the situation will be two quarters out. And that includes me in particular. However it is amusing and entertaining to speculate:

One thing we do know for certain about Q1 2024: Either Biden or Harris will be POTUS. And that's a pick'em situation in my view, as regards your question. You could see with this past week's SCOTUS decisions, and the heated reaction to them, the current executive branch vote buying strategy will proceed unabated to the extent possible. And that mitigates in favor of support for existing or even higher interest rates.

On the legislative side, pretty much ditto regardless political party. The Democrats will spend as much as they can, as always. The Republicans are close to being as bad. The recent debt ceiling agreement between McCarthy and Biden, a joke, merely paved the way for still more spending until after next year's election. And you only asked about Q1. I expect by then the spending will be nothing short of robust and energetic. Once again, this anticipated situation will be supportive of steady or higher interest rates.

A word for those who believe flagging jobs creation will move things in direction opposite to the above speculation:

Neither has happened yet. I posted about the June jobs report earlier today. Jobs have been very strong and of course that strength will not last forever. But my guess, my prognosis (and what the hen, this whole post is a big fat guess), favors stagflation over recession if it comes down to one or the other. And I don't associate lower interest rates with stagflation.

Bottom line: anything can happen, and very few individuals have a crystal ball.

My "inflation buster" CD matured today. I went into it seven months ago worried interest rates would be down by now, leaving me with a problem re-investing the money. How wrong was that!!
happyharold4
  |     |   388 posts since 2022
Knight---Good Post---My crystal ball was off due to my own fears of things rolling back. I have a few locked in at 4.50 but really have no problem with that as it's a reasonable rate. The others that I have locked are at 5.0, 5.25, 5.45 and some at 6.0 for 18 months. I'm holding more in HYS because so many are over 5.0 now---I don't have any MM's. With so many FI's over 5.0, rolling back is not going to happen as quickly as I once perceived. I think I'll go roll my Crystal Ball around in the mud for awhile and see what I come up with.
Rightdx
  |     |   43 posts since 2022
Good point - if democrats retain POTUS in next election, rates are likely to stay higher, longer! I will continue to wait for higher rates before locking in any more long term CD's and stick with short term treasuries in the meantime.
GH1
  |     |   1,053 posts since 2017
yes we are here till change happens at the top
Striker
  |     |   73 posts since 2017
No one knows for sure ! We heard last week to anticipate 2 more rate hikes in 2023. If that happens, short term rates will remain high. But long term rates will likely continue to decline, anticipating the end of 2023 being the peak. 2024 being an election year - all bets are off the table. 2024 will likely be the beginning of lower rates. If by some miracle - the Orange Man would get re-elected - then you can kiss interest rates goodbye. Like in his last term - he will relentlessly pound the fed to keep rates near zero - which they did.
So what to do in the interim ? - I've bought several CD's the past year. Last one was 48 month at GTE at 5.12%, and just before that 60 month at Freedom at 4.95%. Highest were 3 bought at Mobility CU back in February at 5.65%. Lowest was 36 month at Freedom at 4.08% back in September. Happy with the average rate. Have another at 3.6% maturing in Febr of 2024. Hopefully the rates will hold till then. Holding some dry powder in MMA for now . Trying to decide whether to pounce on that 60 month at Advancial paying 5.14%. Lower now than money market but for long term - we may not see 5% again for long term rates in this cycle. Need that crystal ball - who knows what the future holds ? Every opinion is nothing but a guess.
Robb
  |     |   322 posts since 2018
Isn’t the Advancial deal limited to parts of Louisiana and select groups? I think they were available nationwide some years back so you may already be a member. If you know of a workaround please post.
Striker
  |     |   73 posts since 2017
Sorry, Robb - I know of no work-a-round. Joined in 2017 when they were more flexible with membership. Just walked into a local branch here (in Texas - even though they are mainly in Louisiana) and opened a CD. On my application they listed "Connex". I believe they were once affiliated with Connex CU, although I was not a Connex member. Advancial does run good CD or MMA specials from time to time. I've kept the savings open for that reason. Might be worth a phone call to see if you can somehow qualify. That 5.12% might just be the best 60 month rate we see for the remainder of this cycle - who knows ?
Robb
  |     |   322 posts since 2018
Thanks Striker they have been competitive over the years. I have some funds coming due next week so weighing my options.
txFish1
  |     |   476 posts since 2023
@Striker Have you had good luck with Advancial? I was like you and walked into a branch in the Dallas TX area and was able to join a few years ago but was not able to take advantage of their CD rates at the time. I did keep my account open with just a few bucks in it but I have some old Treasury strips that came due last week and I was thinking about putting it in the Advancial jumbo 5 year CD that is showing on their website at 5.14% APY this morning.
Striker
  |     |   73 posts since 2017
txFish1,
I have always had good service with Advancial. Whether over the phone or in person in the local branch. I've had 3 CDs and a Money Market account with them over the years - no issues whatsoever. Would not hesitate to use them again. That's just me - others may have different experiences. For now - I am good with Advancial.
txFish1
  |     |   476 posts since 2023
Striker
Thanks for the reply. I think I will go ahead and give the 5.14% 5 year CD at Advancial a try later this week
obi
  |     |   14 posts since 2014
I have two 5 years, a "All In" at 5% with a 90 day EWP and a GTE at 4.7 with 180 EWP. I'm still shopping for another hoping some bank/cru will jump to 5 or higher with a EWP at 180 or less. I have my eye on docfcu which is 4.7 5-7 years with a 180 EWP. Given the long suffering with tiny rates, I really want to lock in long ones. Just hoping it goes a bit higher before it peaks.
Ltssharon
  |     |   471 posts since 2020
I cannot tell if the poster means the 5 year cd rate, the 10 year treasury, the 1 year treasury rate, or some other rate. Poster, can you please clarify?
MineSweeper
  |     |   68 posts since 2021
5 year CD Rate
Kaight
  |     |   1,192 posts since 2011
I am posting this item as counterpoint to my post, above, back on first of July. While I stand by my earlier writing, it is always important to be aware of opinions which differ from and are at odds with one's own.

This is an item which first appeared in the NY Times earlier today. The writer is economist Paul Krugman. Both the Times and Krugman are well established left wing advocates and sources.  Krugman appears to be making a case for lower interest rates going forward.

https://dnyuz.com/2023/07/03/can-biden-change-the-economic-narrative/

The above link gets you past the NY Times paywall.
Rightdx
  |     |   43 posts since 2022
From the above link you posted, there is also an adjacent article about how the pain is just starting in US commercial real estate, which could lead to a credit crunch and the increasing rates - not lower rates!
https://dnyuz.com/2023/07/04/the-pain-is-just-starting-for-commercial-real-estate-and-plunging-prices-could-reignite-the-banking-crisis-and-choke-the-us-economy-columbia-professor-says/
Kaight
  |     |   1,192 posts since 2011
Acknowledged and agreed.

As I posted back on July first, nobody knows where interest rates are headed . . . . but I suppose many of us have an opinion.

As for commercial real estate:

Yes, it is under great pressure. I posted about this prior on another thread. The pandemic was an agent of change. Many people continue to work from home and the skyscrapers contain significantly fewer people than was the case before the pandemic.


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