It Is Taking A Lot Of Time To Oversee Accounts

Ltssharon
  |     |   471 posts since 2020

Hi. How much time do you spend in general a week, taking care of financial business? I have about 120 rows in a spreadsheet of investments (think various kinds of accounts at various financial institutions, cds, ibonds, savings, checkings, insurances, etc. to keep track of and make decisions about. I am old (let's just for the sake of simplicity call over 65 years as old, so over the years all this has added up to a big spreadsheet. Now, to a certain extent I enjoy it, like a hobby, or a skill/craft). But I spend quite a bit more than 8 hours a week on it. I usually start on a Tuesday, looking at statements and things that came in the mail during the week. Now naturally, some of those are going to require research and problem solving, and decision making, and action takings; I tackle those throughout the week until the next tuesday. Lots of times, the problem solving/decision part takes 8 hours. Lots of time seems to go into uneducated staff, bug- full computer platforms, etc. So anyway, how much time do you spend and are you a senior (over 65) yet? Am I the only one spending this kind of time taking care of finances and related stuff? Thank you all.



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MineSweeper
  |     |   68 posts since 2021
If your portfolio requires a lot of attention, you need to take into account who would do that work if do to health reasons were unable to be so hands on. Make sure you have good documentation and someone who can find the information and step in to manage your accounts. Consider a financial power of attorney and make sure the beneficiaries on your accounts are correct. You probably have all this covered but the issue becomes even more important as we age.
ocsteve
  |     |   96 posts since 2010
Would it be OK to mention transitioning the CDs to perhaps a large broker, like Fidelity. You can research Brokered CDs (non-callable) to better understand your options. You might even want to book a free appointment with a Fideity broker in your local area.

I have an elderly aunt that had many many CDs all over town, some at not real good rates. When I went to Fidelity I started to buy Brokered CDs for her account, and now I don’t need to worry about monthly interest checks or keeping track of the various places they are. I have been a personal Fidelity customer for over 30 years and am happy with the service.
Ally6770
  |     |   4,290 posts since 2010
ocsteve- -
Great idea if you want monthly checks and do not compound and also if you check to make sure she is 100% insured all the time.
ocsteve
  |     |   96 posts since 2010
Actually she is fully insured to $1.25 million, due to brokerage account vesting in her Living Trust. When making inquiries of the Fidelity Fixed Income Desk, they recommended I never exceed $500,000 with any one insurer. Several of the banks we use have two different charters, and am careful to book additional pieces with the other charter institution.

As far as the issue with lack of interest compounding about the monthly checks, we have the interest amounts put into her Money Market mutual fund, so do get some compounding, although some Banks do pay interest quarterly or semi-annually, so I do see your point.

My aunt is very elderly, so convenience for me is what it’s all about, along with her getting a fair interest rate.
CDMD
  |     |   141 posts since 2022
Great question.

I too am retired -,assumed you are too. Short answer I also spend slightly more than 8 hours a week doing or thinking about my family’s financial well being but my categories are shifted in where I focus my time.

I too approach it as you do in that I do most of the effort. Partially as a hobby and partially driven by distrust for so called fiduciary co. So the level of work goes with the territory. I think an individuals self evaluation of their aptitude and capabilities and willingness are key and should be considered until they don’t want to or can’t do it anymore. I don’t put an age specific to it. Then a plan to trust others ( could be family or professionals) needs to be in place. For now I enjoy it and see it as a challenge based on my comfort zone but I share with select core family members spouse children to teach and share responsibilities in prep for when I can’t do it anymore. I feel comfortable with the Risk and my expertise. I also know my limitations. I was a financial professional in my career and education. I will call upon an expert for input as necessary. But rarely.

As it relates to the effort I bucket it into various categories.
1) Maintenance (filing/stmt review/reconciliations/spreadsheet updates etc), 2) operations (performing transactions including bill payment),
3) Strategy (investment allocation/tax/estate/decision) and
4) research on potential upcoming decisions.

The maintenance is actually small on average about 2 hr per week.

Operations is even smaller maybe an hour on average per week. I don’t actively trade.

Research and strategy takes up the majority of the time. This includes tax season and updating quarterly estimates in my tax liabilities which can be several full days of effort but concentrated to only 1 or 2 x per year. I frequently read articles, listen to the news on economic trends, investigate topics and contemplate strategies to maximize. I find myself thinking about this at various times throughout the day and not at a computer. This is not that cumbersome as I do it at my leisure not taking away from family or me time.

I wouldn’t have the patience with computer bugs. Shouldn’t be a focus of your time. Might want to get that taken care of so it doesn’t consume you.

Hope this helps.
JeffinEasternFL
  |     |   744 posts since 2020
45 minutes weekly and maybe an hour at end of month and another 3 hours end of year. 3 hours at tax time. All for 2 IRA's, one Tod account, one beneficiary IRA, 3 bank accounts (all w/ one brokerage) ...then my MBoI money market, A slew of I bonds (nothing to bother with as I hold 'em 30 years), 5 small crypto accounts and my 5 Jumbo laddered CDs. (one matures each calendar year). Once a year I update my net worth statement to the penny (carry the house at just the county tax valuation and don't bother counting "stuff"). It's about $4M~ or so value. Almost everything including utilities goes on my credit card via auto pay and the bank automatically pays it in full on the due date. I'd rather golf! You are way overmanaging, WHY? Your gonna drive your estate executor crazy! SIMPLIFY and go play! I'm 63, retired at 47 and haven't looked back. Who get mail? Almost all I get is electronic delivery.
acadapter
  |     |   296 posts since 2018
How did you retire at 47?
JeffinEasternFL
  |     |   744 posts since 2020
I worked 6 days a week, average 10~ hours a day in my own business for 16~ years. I always lived on (depending on decade 80's to early 00's) teens, 20's, 30's, $40K~ a year just fine and then invested the rest. Prior to my own business I had an Air Force career and a short corporate career outa college. Neither of the latter two made me "rich" but, I still lived below my means and saved 25%~ or more of my income even then! Back in college I worked part-time and completed a double major in 4 years at State U without taking any loans. In fact, I've only borrowed money a few times in my life. A car loan at 23 (48 months but paid it off in 19). A mobile home loan (used) in the Air Force (paid it off in 30 months) and a business lease for my computer system inn 1993 that was paid off in less than a year. I avoided debt, invested with a purpose (and left it alone to grow) and lived a decent middle class life along the way. I overshot my goals and decided at 47, I had enough!
acadapter
  |     |   296 posts since 2018
I'm wondering if you had a family (wife/kids) throughout that time? I'm asking because that would add cost to your lifestyle, becase you have to support them. Did you go out a lot (friends/gf)?

I'm single and can live just fine with my low income but if I had a gf/wife/kids, etc than that would add more cost to my lifestyle.
txFish1
  |     |   476 posts since 2023
My plan is very similar to Lovinsome and JeffinEasternFl plan which is keep it simple. I am 62 and retired at 59 and have 1 brokerage account and 3 Credit Union accounts that are always in the top tier of CD rates that are linked to my brokerage account. I may spend 1 hour a week and maybe a touch more at the end of year and tax time. I would much rather be out fishing or playing racquetball etc. Besides that it is much easier for my wife to keep up with.
fliegeroh
  |     |   116 posts since 2022
Yes, Like you I am 65+, retired, and spend 8-12 hours a week managing my spreadsheet(s) with all investments and money moves. I am a pretty good Excel user so it's fun for me as well and I like playing with the numbers and thinking of "next moves."
Ally6770
  |     |   4,290 posts since 2010
Not much time now. But when I took care of the union's accounts, the townships accounts and our accounts I had each of the 58 CD's on a separate spreadsheet and kept the date interest was added, when it matured and rate it earned and the name of the institution and phone number. I didn't use the computer and used the phone bank which was quicker for me. Each institution CD's and ours were divided in their own book of spreadsheets. Each of us had a page highlighted by color on a paper stapled to the inside cover when they matured. I wrote checks for the township only one day a month for the payroll and bills, as did my husband for the union and I spent only about 1 hour a week at most if I added in the time for writing the checks which took the longest. It did take a couple of hours or more at the end of the month to post union dues for the 500 members. I also worked in the bank, and was township treasurer working 2 jobs for 23 years and did my a lot of my husbands books as he worked 7 days a week.
Ltssharon
  |     |   471 posts since 2020
Well done in my humble opinion.
acadapter
  |     |   296 posts since 2018
I'm going to try use excel spreadsheet to keep track of my finances. I'm so use ot website like Mint and Empower that I find the point to use spreadsheets.
JVW
  |     |   83 posts since 2018
I retired at 60 and am now four years into it. I naturally wake up early and spend roughly two hours each morning on banking, savings and online bill payment. Then I walk and head to the gym.

After a creative career, all of this numbers strategy work keeps me sharp--after all it's our money and not theirs. I have accounts at about a dozen banks / credit unions, plus another four brokerage accounts. Several times each week, I ACH funds out of accounts that earn no or lesser interest into accounts earning 5.35% and higher. This has become a highly focused hobby / pseudo job for for me but do balance the time with charity work each week, too.

In this high interest rate environment, we are fortunate to earn the equivalent of my former salary back through bank interest and stock dividends. We stay about 15-20% liquid and wish to avoid long term capital gains on our tech heavy portfolio. Regarding retirement accounts, I am also avoiding RMDs as long as possible which with current rules will mean until I turn 73.
Ltssharon
  |     |   471 posts since 2020
I see, so it is part of your daily routine rather than weekly or monthly. Because I use a P.O. Box for my financial statements. I just do it once a week. Hm as a retiree icould switch and walk to the P.O. Box (just 3 blocks away) daily. That might actually be fun.
txFish1
  |     |   476 posts since 2023
Ltssharon My nextdoor neighbor who is retired and 66 years old does that. Her P.O. Box is about 2-3 blocks away and she walks over and back every day and gets her mail. Also her main Credit Union is right next to her P.O. Box and once a week she stops by and conducts her business at the CU. She said the same thing you did that it is actually fun and gets a little exercise at the same time.
ocsteve
  |     |   96 posts since 2010
I agree, the use of a PO Box for financial mail is a good idea. I live in a large condo assn. and the mail service here is very bad, and don’t want neighbors getting my mail and maybe opening it by mistake.
acadapter
  |     |   296 posts since 2018
I probably spend about an hour each week looking over my finacnes, checking, savings, investments, IRA, etc. Mint and Empower has helped me a lot, due to everything being in one place. I also keep in mind of any accounts that haven't been touched in a while due to dormant/inactivity fee's.

I just opened a CD account but luckily only have one that one CD. I'm always researchin on what kind of investments I want. It's a lot, the dormant account is the one I worry about a lot.
Ally6770
  |     |   4,290 posts since 2010
You can call the institution and they will most likely tell you how to take and how to keep it out of dormancy. Many places will take it out with a phone call, other require a deposit in the savings or a withdrawal and all the accounts in your name will taken out of dormancy.


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