Advancial 5 Year 5.40%

arthurtony
  |     |   24 posts since 2016

You guys are all smarter than me, and all of your opinions are invaluable. I have a 50,000 treasury maturing on February 22, 2024 at Schwab. If it were you, would you use margin to put it into the Advancial 5.40% 5 year cd. I am hesitating because it is 2 months of margin interest, and anything could happen in 2 months. Pretty sure no one will have that rate on a 5 year though. I'm in Ohio and I could do the 6% GenFed, but it's only 18 months. I'm stuck. I just need a quick opinion on what you would do.



Answers
Steve58
  |     |   459 posts since 2018
1. Assume you only have till close of business tomorrow to get the 5.4% rate. You should first open a savings account and hope that it is approved by tomorrow. Don't make it a joint account if you are having issues with Driver License acceptance during the online application submittal. You can add a joint person to the account after it is all done.

2. Margin is the only way to get the funds to your bank account quick enough unless you have emergency funds that are very liquid you can use in lieu of margin by tomorrow.

3. Margin is around 11.0% at Merrill Lynch. So in two months at 50k borrowed, will cost you in the neighborhood of under $1000. Of course you will be making 5.4% on the 50 K, so that will cut your cost down to near half.

4. Sell the treasury as soon as you can, as suggested, if that will cost you less than going on margin the full 50K for the full 2 months. Use the margin now and pay back the margin balance when the note is sold and money is credited to your account.

5. Use the smallest amount of margin that you can. Use as much of liquid savings (emergency funds) that you feel comfortable with. If you cannot access the emergency funds by tomorrow, use margin, and move as much of the emergency funds as quick as you can to your margin account to minimize the borrowed amount when they can be made available. In the event you have an emergency, and you really needed those funds, you can go back on margin to pay for the emergency.

6. Once your savings account is open by tomorrow, you can go to a COOP branch and write a check for the 50K to deposit into your new savings account. Then go home and open the CD online once you have logged in. In my case, the last 3 times, the 50K is immediately available to fund the CD and can be done just through the online CD application process once you are logged in.

Good luck, Steve

The key is getting it done by close of business tomorrow, as I would expect when they announce their new rates on the 1st, the 5.4% will not be available. But I have been wrong on this before.
arthurtony
  |     |   24 posts since 2016
Wow! Thanks for taking the time to post all of that. I should have said I have the account opened already. I thanked everyone and while I was posting, your comment was added. I truly never considered selling the February treasury. I am going to call Schwab now. It must be easy, and no big deal if you guys are saying so. Duh. Never thought of it.
alan1
  |     |   876 posts since 2015
If you sell the Treasury security today (Thursday), the trade will not settle until tomorrow (Friday). You'll really be going down to the wire if you sell the Treasury security today.
gratitudecd
  |     |   83 posts since 2022
Steve58 what do you make of the fact that they didn't change the rate for 48 and 60? Anything to be concerned about as I just don't want to have my funds taken over by NCUA and than the rate aborts to zero and all that hassle involved. Or do you think I'm overthinking it? I have it all set up under NCUA threshold insurance. I respect your thorough answers. Thanks and happy new years!
Steve58
  |     |   459 posts since 2018
Surprised. But not overly concerned.

I have more concerns about the future of this country, dangers in this world with current administration in 'control', government spending out of control, the out of control chaos at the border, fascist elements in our government undermining our freedoms and elections, etc. If ship hits the fan, there is nothing safe, and there are no guarantees. Remember, the Government is NOT here to help, they will do what they must just to stay in power even at you and your families expense.

My recommendation, is to not have all your eggs in one basket. I have created three 5 year ladders (5 steps each) this past 1.5 years. They are purposely spread across 8 or 10 financial institutions, with no more than 2 steps at each institution. Except Advancial, as I now have 3 steps with them, all being the 5 year steps. Stay under the guarantee limits, and you should be fine. I pull all of my interest out, and save them in high interest instruments. Ratings of institutions may matter, until they don't. Look in the past where big banks have failed and were all A rated. I don't believe any of it. There are no guarantees in this world, just do your best to be diversified.

I have recently extended my add on CDs with Mountain America to new maturity dates: 4.75% for two years, 4.5% for 3 years, and 4.2% for 5 years in December. These are meant to protect the 1 or 2 year steps in my ladders when they mature, should interest rates continue to free fall. All 3 MA CDs are better than the rates you can get for those same terms currently being offered as brokered CDs. If a CD matures, and rates are worse, I can put those funds into the 2 year MA CD at 4.75%, and when the MA 2 year CD matures I can move it to the 3 year MA CD at 4.5%, for a year, and when the MA 3 year cd matures I can move it to the 5 year MA CD at 4.2% for another 2 years. (they have a 100k limit total for all add on CDs).

I am storing my cash savings (and CD interest) in 1 year no penalty CDs at raisin (another institution that people here at DA try to scare you about). Currently getting 5.4% for 12 months, which is as good a deal as you can get right now on NP CDs (that I am aware of). If interest rates were to start to rise, I can always pull the money out after 30 days, and move that to new institutions quickly and without penalty. I put them in using smaller CD increments, in case I need emergency cash. That way I don't have to take out a big sum when there may not be good alternatives to invest that extra cash I did not need for the emergency.

Best of luck in the new year, and sorry if I sounded a bit like a downer at the start of your response.

Steve58
JeffinEasternFL
  |     |   744 posts since 2020
If you do NOT need the money and EWP is of little consequences (and you want ZERO risk): get the highest rate you can for the longer term, (historically in THIS century we are around a peak!) or break it up perhaps into a mid-long term ladder. Regardless: lock in those 5% + rates! You coud always go about 40%~ 5 years and then 20% each 3,4 years and the rest in the GENFed CD too, and if rates somehow rise, lock THAT up at the long end later in /'25. (Or similar) Pull the trigger! I did late '22/early '23 and have over $50K interest income this year and almost $60K projected for '24. Easy money! Only one CD comes due in August (just a 3% APY that I strip interest from quarterly and move to MBoI at 5%APY) and one CD matures every calendar year thru 2028. All these at/over 5%+ APY! Keep it simple then go play more golf! Ready, aim, and PULL THE TRIGGER
gratitudecd
  |     |   83 posts since 2022
JeffinEasterFL my only suggestion is to add beneficiaries if you go over 250K so it is protected - that is regardless of any financial institution. Heck SVB had an A rating and you saw what happened. Bottom line is the risk is worth the reward at 5.4% in my opinion. In August you will still have an opportunity to get a 5 year at least 4% in my opinion.
CDmanFL
  |     |   286 posts since 2019
Just for fun guys, any guesses what Advancial’s 5 year Jumbo rate will be on 1/1/24? I’m guessing 5% APY.
sams1985
  |     |   781 posts since 2022
In the 4.0-4.25 range.
CDmanFL
  |     |   286 posts since 2019
Brother Sams,
You’re such a party pooper! Still hoping for 5% because I have some CDs maturing in the next 2 weeks. Maybe they need the cash and we’ll be the lucky beneficiaries!
sams1985
  |     |   781 posts since 2022
Don’t worry the party isn’t over yet. Another bank or CU is going to pop up with a 5% 60 month deal soon enough. Fed cuts are all pure speculation. Elevated rates won’t disappear anytime soon. All bets will be off after that first rate cut though.
John19
  |     |   394 posts since 2022
I bet 4.00-4.25% five year CDs stick around all next year, at least for the first half. I still bought a whole pile of Mountain America/Navy Federal add-ons in case so I'm set.
choice1
  |     |   370 posts since 2023
The Fed does not want the Government to bail out (more) poorly managed FIs as it did early this year, ie poorly managed primarily by absence of regulatory oversight of excessive uninsured deposits at FIs…consequently the easiest answer is to have rates go lower and thus those same FIs that have debt with all those excessive uninsured deposits would not be underwater…all this being subject to not disrupting the normal 2024 election cycle.  Bet on higher Fed rates AFTER the Fed comes down (harder) on those FIs coupled with CDs rates not rising as much in this next inflationary cycle after the election 
gratitudecd
  |     |   83 posts since 2022
I agree with Brother Sams - 5% will def be around in Jan until the 1st rate cut. After that all bets are off. Not sure about 5.2 - 5.4 (but .4 isn't the end of the world) when interest rates were only ~1% for a 5 year less than 18 months ago. That still is 400% more which is nothing to sneeze at.
gratitudecd
  |     |   83 posts since 2022
4.2 - 4.5 in my opinion
Janicefr48
  |     |   40 posts since 2022
I don't know if this will help anyone, but I just had a pleasant surprise with Advancial. I wanted to open another 5 yr CD but wasn't sure how to get the money into my savings account by tomorrow. I decided to try a mobile deposit with a check from the account where I keep my liquid money. It was the first time I had used mobile deposit with Advancial and assumed they would have a limit on mobile deposits and transfers as most places do but they accepted the check for $50K just fine. I even called them to make sure it was received since it said it wouldn't post until tomorrow due to the time I made the deposit.
dasachs
  |     |   6 posts since 2023
Advancial changes its rates on the first of each month. They could lower them on 1/2/24.
sams1985
  |     |   781 posts since 2022
Treasuries are highly liquid. You could easily dump it in the secondary market without losing much if any accrued interest. I’d be absolutely shocked if Advancial doesn’t drop their long term rates on Jan 1st and also a bit worried bc then they obv have some financial instability issues.
arthurtony
  |     |   24 posts since 2016
Great idea that I didn't think of. That is why I love this website. Sometimes you get in a box and can't think outside of it. Thanks to all 3 of you. I know the rate will change on the 1st. I am going to the shared branch today, as soon as I decide.
betaguy
  |     |   180 posts since 2022
How does one become a member of Advancial? Do I have to get a dog?
gratitudecd
  |     |   83 posts since 2022
A cat will also do. ;-)
Sanger
  |     |   321 posts since 2022
I just saw this rate I just finish my season what a great rate I will open a 5-year CD Tuesday for a 100,000.00 if that rate holds. Who knows there will be other deals I just hope I can take my interest monthly. What a deal this will fit in my investments perfect.
txFish1
  |     |   476 posts since 2023
@Sanger. You can definitely take your interest on a monthly basis at Advancial. They transfer it to your savings account on the 1st of every month and then you can transfer it to a linked account.
CDmanFL
  |     |   286 posts since 2019
I initially set up the CD for the interest to reinvest. But if I want to withdraw say 6 or 12 months of interest down the road, will they allow it without penalty? I forgot to ask that question. I know that some institutions don’t allow you to withdraw accrued interest without penalty. Has anyone asked this question? I was so eager to get this CD that I didn’t do my normal diligence.
txFish1
  |     |   476 posts since 2023
CDmanFL I was told you can do that simply by calling CSR and requesting your interest (without penalty) and they will transfer it to your savings account.
Sanger
  |     |   321 posts since 2022
Hi txFish1Thank you for that information. You have a great New Year I will get started on this tomorrow Happy New year everybody.
gratitudecd
  |     |   83 posts since 2022
I agree. I'm thinking of opening one more as well, we'll see.. maybe by Jan. 31st.
w00d00w
  |     |   360 posts since 2012
could you sell the Treasury before maturity in the secondary market and use the proceeds to buy the CD, rather than using margin?
arthurtony
  |     |   24 posts since 2016
That is exactly what I did. I went on the site and I have to admit I was clueless. The guy at the fixed income desk helped and I sold the February treasury. It sure beats paying the margin interest. Again I say thanks to all of you for your thoughts.
sams1985
  |     |   781 posts since 2022
Looks like rates didn’t change after all. 5.4% 60 month still available and it now says rates effective through 1/31/2024. Any reason to be concerned about financial stability…?
txFish1
  |     |   476 posts since 2023
USSFCU, EECU (Texas) Credit Union of Texas and countless others did not drop their rates today. Keep your deposits under NCUA/FDIC coverage and nothing to worry about at all
gratitudecd
  |     |   83 posts since 2022
That was my concern as well - why would they keep the rate so high @ 5.4% however txFish1 said it - most critical component is to ensure w/ beneficiaries or joint, etc. you are under the NCUA threshold. Needless to say, I would have thought they would drop by 1 point at least to 4.4% - guess I was wrong.
Sanger
  |     |   321 posts since 2022
Hi I called Advancial this morning. I live in California they said I am not eligible to join am I missing something the rate will stay around all of January at least. is there a way to join them that I do not know of. looking for answers .
sams1985
  |     |   781 posts since 2022
There is a second longer thread on how to join: https://www.depositaccounts.com/banks/advancial-cu.html#promo55239

Please see the first post and follow Steve’s detailed instructions on how to join.


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