The Illusive 5% APY CD

Kaight
  |     |   1,192 posts since 2011

Will 5% APY and better CDs eventually become available on a widespread basis? So far they are certainly not ubiquitous. It will be easier to gauge such stuff when the impending midterm elections are finally behind us. I sense they are having an impact on lots of stuff. But I really don't have my head around the details.

The last two inflation prints, wholesale and consumer, earlier this month were not signalling other than "more of the same". I'm personally still waiting for the wage-push inflation driver to assert itself. It's something we experienced during the Carter years and thereafter. Only current example that comes to mind is the recent railroad workers settlement which the workers voted down and rejected unexpectedly. Secretary Walsh and POTUS himself worked hard to bring settlement about. And the railroad union leaders signed on. But the rank and file voted "no". I anticipate repetition of such as that, and not only among union workers. Not at all.

So how much more inflation will it take before banks and credit unions stop squeezing the buffalo and offer us a sane (for us) CD interest rate? And when will this finally happen? I dunno. But I believe needed clarity has no chance whatsoever to emerge until after we vote on November eighth.




rockies
  |     |   295 posts since 2018
This is not the "widespread basis" that we are all seeking. But, I see four 5.0% long-term brokered CD's today at Fidelity. All are callable......but, we have to start somewhere.

Jonesboro State Bank, 10 year, 1st call date 01/28/2023
Morgan Stanley Private Limited, 15 year, 1st call date 10/26/2023
Morgan Stanley Bank Limited, 15 year, 1st call date 10/26/2023
Oak View National Bank, 20 year, 1st call date 01/28/2023
Kirkland
  |     |   377 posts since 2014
If the CPI remains high, Mark Mobius, said today that the Fed should raise rates up to 9%. And he said get out of these companies with high debt cause rates are going up! The Fed has said they expect to go up to around 4.5% in short order, depending on the data. Just keep it liquid in a high yield savings account that you can get out of quickly, to take advantage of a long term CD, when it happens to your liking. Certainly it seems that so far, brokered CD rates are offering well over the direct bank ones.
CDsuckers
  |     |   70 posts since 2022
Isn't he the guy that renounced his American citizenship for Germany (even though he was born in the US)?
The FED should have rates set at 1% above the CPI-U right now.
Anything less than that makes buying CD's an excercise in futility.
Yes, CD's are for suckers!
sams1985
  |     |   781 posts since 2022
What do you suggest us savers with a large liquid cash savings do with it ? Buy stocks and ETFs "on sale"?
w00d00w
  |     |   360 posts since 2012
Fed has stated its preferred metric to gauge inflation is core PCE, not CPI. year over year core PCE has been falling from June (7.0%) to August (6.2%). One forecasting site has core PCE at 5.2% for September and October. my best guess at this point: if core PCE gets stuck in the 5s, then Fed will eventually have to raise Federal Fund rates above that to get additional downward pressure on inflation.
MoneyMoves
  |     |   149 posts since 2019
Your "stop squeezing the buffalo" LOL Agree; they are throwing around their nickles like they are manhole covers" ... as a relative would say LOL My need will be in Jan 2023; perhaps June 2023. So my concern is that the widespread peak that Ken says to watch for will have come and gone. But who knows? Wait and see; 5% may break out fully and then we will say ... hmmm maybe 6% is at hand LOL Until then, cruise control in high yield savings; I-Bonds especially before the end of this month; treasuries.... As others have noted for our stand by time.
sams1985
  |     |   781 posts since 2022
It's not an IF anymore but a WHEN regarding widespread 5% CD's. I just can't imagine the FED not raising the interest rate at least 1-2 more times with inflation where it is. Despite all these doomsday articles about the markets crashing, the economy crashing, etc. and how the Fed needs to pivot ASAP, i think they can squeeze out two more rate hikes before eventually capitulating. I don't think we will get much higher than the 5-6% range though. I dont think the Fed has the backbone to stand up to the pressure despite where inflation sits. Let's see if they prove me wrong.

 If you told me a year ago, I'd have the opportunity to park my liquid savings in a absolutely risk free instrument providing 5% annually, I would be ecstatic so anything beyond that is gravy anyway.
hank
  |     |   110 posts since 2016
I am now very hopeful that we will soon see the elusive 5 percent cd, maybe even a 6 percent cd. It looks like the fed will increase the rate by 75 basis points in November and maybe again in December and who knows after that. It doesnt look like inflation is on the verge of slowing
July2022
  |     |   41 posts since 2018
Maybe after Feb.? Hopefully sooner. All that consumer holiday spending will keep inflation hot, just in time when the FED was looking for some relief in their "creep along" strategy. haha, keystone cops everywhere


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